Major Catastrophe
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Trailer Troubles
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Lakesailor
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That's undoubtedly the issue.
But he has a trailer and it could be made workable.
The option of changing trailer may be better but more costly.
What is a man to do?
But he has a trailer and it could be made workable.
The option of changing trailer may be better but more costly.
What is a man to do?
Major Catastrophe
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The option of changing trailer may be better but more costly.
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During my chat with sb1 he told me that I could go and get a new trailer, but I would have the same problem as I have now, in that the trailer will be 'Off the shelf' and would still need a competent boat dealer to re-configure it to the actual boat it is meant to carry.
My boat dealer is a complete numpty and simply took in the 'Off the shelf' trailer and plonked the boat on it.
The trailer is perfectly adequate, but an experienced eye would have ordered a longer draw bar, moved the winch forward and moved the axles to re-balance it.
That is what I am going to have done, but because of the deep keel, I am going to have the spreader bars fitted with smaller rollers, so if the keel does tounch them when powering on, there will be no damage caused.
I can't beleive it has taken all this time to see what should have been obvious to a competent boat yard.
The option of changing trailer may be better but more costly.
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During my chat with sb1 he told me that I could go and get a new trailer, but I would have the same problem as I have now, in that the trailer will be 'Off the shelf' and would still need a competent boat dealer to re-configure it to the actual boat it is meant to carry.
My boat dealer is a complete numpty and simply took in the 'Off the shelf' trailer and plonked the boat on it.
The trailer is perfectly adequate, but an experienced eye would have ordered a longer draw bar, moved the winch forward and moved the axles to re-balance it.
That is what I am going to have done, but because of the deep keel, I am going to have the spreader bars fitted with smaller rollers, so if the keel does tounch them when powering on, there will be no damage caused.
I can't beleive it has taken all this time to see what should have been obvious to a competent boat yard.
old_salt
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Naw that one would sink if you could get it off the Promenade
nice place though never been in Have you?.
This is the one I was on.
Have a look at this:- Liverpool & North Wales Steamship Company
web page
Naw that one would sink if you could get it off the Promenade
nice place though never been in Have you?.
This is the one I was on.
Have a look at this:- Liverpool & North Wales Steamship Company
web page
Major Catastrophe
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Gawd! I didn't realise you were that old.
Which one was you on? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
St Tudno (1) (1890)
St Tudno (2) (1891-1912)
St Tudno (3) (1926-1963)
I've just had a look through the site. There are some excellent postcards of the Tudnos passing through the straits.
Which one was you on? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
St Tudno (1) (1890)
St Tudno (2) (1891-1912)
St Tudno (3) (1926-1963)
I've just had a look through the site. There are some excellent postcards of the Tudnos passing through the straits.
ontheplane
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I think you have totally the wrong KIND of trailer!
You have an SBS trailer that is set up for a V-hull sportsboat, but I can see from the pictures you have a keel - that trailer isn't designed for anything with a keel!
You may be able to "bodge" something with lots of extra rollers - but fundamentally you have the totally wrong type of trailer for the boat.
The dealers I would say are liable - they sold you this package and it's just plain not right for the hull.
Why should you buy another trailer? They sold it you, it's not right and will always give problems - I would get heavy with them.
You need a trailer with keel support rollers and side support rollers that can be adjusted up to sit on the hull.
The rear rollers should sit at the back of the boat as others have said, and the weight should be spread over the keel and the sides of the hull by lots of well adjusted rollers spreading the weight.
I would concurr with a previous respondant that the trailers made by DeGraaff would be a far better choice (no connection - but again a happy previous customer).
I was at the Birmingham boat show and looked at one of these boats - I was told by the guy on the stand that the trailer for the boat was £3000 - when I pointed out that that was an unbelievable price for a trailer for a 20ish foot boat and that I could get a 3500kg trailer for less than that he said "ah yes sir but this is made especially for the boat" - interestingly enough, the trailer that the boat was sat on also didn't fit the boat, and would have had to be craned on in order not to damage the keel.... When I pointed out to the guy on the stand this he was quite rude...!
I wonder are these the same guys that sold this boat to you???
I would take it to SBS and ask them if that trailer was SPECIFICALLY designed for your type of hull - or is it a standard sportsboat trailer - be very interested to know what they say - I would also speak to DeGraaff and see what he would design for that hull type - I bet the two will be very very different.
How much did you pay for the trailer?
I bet you could have had a custom made one for much less - in which case you have been conned.
You have an SBS trailer that is set up for a V-hull sportsboat, but I can see from the pictures you have a keel - that trailer isn't designed for anything with a keel!
You may be able to "bodge" something with lots of extra rollers - but fundamentally you have the totally wrong type of trailer for the boat.
The dealers I would say are liable - they sold you this package and it's just plain not right for the hull.
Why should you buy another trailer? They sold it you, it's not right and will always give problems - I would get heavy with them.
You need a trailer with keel support rollers and side support rollers that can be adjusted up to sit on the hull.
The rear rollers should sit at the back of the boat as others have said, and the weight should be spread over the keel and the sides of the hull by lots of well adjusted rollers spreading the weight.
I would concurr with a previous respondant that the trailers made by DeGraaff would be a far better choice (no connection - but again a happy previous customer).
I was at the Birmingham boat show and looked at one of these boats - I was told by the guy on the stand that the trailer for the boat was £3000 - when I pointed out that that was an unbelievable price for a trailer for a 20ish foot boat and that I could get a 3500kg trailer for less than that he said "ah yes sir but this is made especially for the boat" - interestingly enough, the trailer that the boat was sat on also didn't fit the boat, and would have had to be craned on in order not to damage the keel.... When I pointed out to the guy on the stand this he was quite rude...!
I wonder are these the same guys that sold this boat to you???
I would take it to SBS and ask them if that trailer was SPECIFICALLY designed for your type of hull - or is it a standard sportsboat trailer - be very interested to know what they say - I would also speak to DeGraaff and see what he would design for that hull type - I bet the two will be very very different.
How much did you pay for the trailer?
I bet you could have had a custom made one for much less - in which case you have been conned.
Major Catastrophe
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Three things, firstly I have been told repeatedly that the keel should not be taking weight when being transported on the roads. A Beneteau chap confirmed that to me at SIBS two years ago.
Secondly, I was told by a trailer expert today that De Graaf trailers are fundamentally the same as SBS trailers and comparing them on their websites, I would agree that they are essentially the same.
Lastly, the main keel does not and has never come into contact with any part of the trailer. If you study the picture, you will see that the only place that has contacted with the keel is at the front in a very small area and the contact happens only during recovery. The keel in this area is more or less the same as any sportsboat, as two of us spent an hour yesterday in a park full of boats on trailers, measuring keel depths at the area of contact.
Whatever anyone says, it is not SBS's fault. They supplied the trailer to order to the boat dealer. The trailer was supplied as part of the package.
Secondly, I was told by a trailer expert today that De Graaf trailers are fundamentally the same as SBS trailers and comparing them on their websites, I would agree that they are essentially the same.
Lastly, the main keel does not and has never come into contact with any part of the trailer. If you study the picture, you will see that the only place that has contacted with the keel is at the front in a very small area and the contact happens only during recovery. The keel in this area is more or less the same as any sportsboat, as two of us spent an hour yesterday in a park full of boats on trailers, measuring keel depths at the area of contact.
Whatever anyone says, it is not SBS's fault. They supplied the trailer to order to the boat dealer. The trailer was supplied as part of the package.
halcyon
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Are the back roller beam still on the bottom setting ? rear rollers look to low.
Raise them in relation to beam, gives clearance on recovery, and should improve clearance around axle area.
Knew SBS when he made his first trailer, Tony rings a bell, but was long time ago, we used to supply him with axles.
Brian
Raise them in relation to beam, gives clearance on recovery, and should improve clearance around axle area.
Knew SBS when he made his first trailer, Tony rings a bell, but was long time ago, we used to supply him with axles.
Brian
enterprise
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SBS do make an excellent trailer, as has been said the dealer has suplied your boat on an inapropriate trailer, nothing to do with the quality of build or functionality, just not the right trailer for your application.
SBS do make bespoke trailers & off the shelf trailers to order, on purchasing they normaly ask for the type of boat, length & width etc so in this case must have suplied an off the shelf.
When we ordered I was told I would need an extra 1ft on the drawbar because of an anchor platform, this was without describing my boat or requesting stock model alteration, they really know there stuff & have probably suplied to all the dealers in the UK.
We decided on an SBS after a short chat with a boat haulage contractor who runs a fleet of eight SBS trailers, if it's good enough for them who am I to argue??.
SBS do make bespoke trailers & off the shelf trailers to order, on purchasing they normaly ask for the type of boat, length & width etc so in this case must have suplied an off the shelf.
When we ordered I was told I would need an extra 1ft on the drawbar because of an anchor platform, this was without describing my boat or requesting stock model alteration, they really know there stuff & have probably suplied to all the dealers in the UK.
We decided on an SBS after a short chat with a boat haulage contractor who runs a fleet of eight SBS trailers, if it's good enough for them who am I to argue??.
Major Catastrophe
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Are the back roller beam still on the bottom setting ? rear rollers look to low.
Raise them in relation to beam, gives clearance on recovery, and should improve clearance around axle area.
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Yes, it is on the lowest setting and dealers would not raise it as it upsets COG.
Everyone who has inspected the rig has advised me not to raise the COG. Sat on the trailer, the boat is already just under ten feet high.
But, I will leave it to SBS to sort it.
I am taking lots of pictures tomorrow, relaunching the boat and then taking trailer to SBS.
Job done.
Are the back roller beam still on the bottom setting ? rear rollers look to low.
Raise them in relation to beam, gives clearance on recovery, and should improve clearance around axle area.
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Yes, it is on the lowest setting and dealers would not raise it as it upsets COG.
Everyone who has inspected the rig has advised me not to raise the COG. Sat on the trailer, the boat is already just under ten feet high.
But, I will leave it to SBS to sort it.
I am taking lots of pictures tomorrow, relaunching the boat and then taking trailer to SBS.
Job done.
halcyon
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But the holes are to adjust the roller height to ensure the keel does not hit the roller crossmember. It would also stop you hitting the axle, thus saving you buying the extra rollers. If SBS were that worried about CoG the would have left out the holes and saved some money.
Brian
Brian
Major Catastrophe
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If SBS were that worried about CoG the would have left out the holes and saved some money.
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But it is handy for boats that are not quite so top heavy as mine.
Yes, I do see what you mean, but I am a mere boater who knows nothing about setting up trailers and allowed the boat dealer to sell me a 'matching' boat and trailer combination, believing that they had the slightest clue on what they were doing.
As I have said, I will leave to SBS to sort it out, as they really are the professionals.
If SBS were that worried about CoG the would have left out the holes and saved some money.
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But it is handy for boats that are not quite so top heavy as mine.
Yes, I do see what you mean, but I am a mere boater who knows nothing about setting up trailers and allowed the boat dealer to sell me a 'matching' boat and trailer combination, believing that they had the slightest clue on what they were doing.
As I have said, I will leave to SBS to sort it out, as they really are the professionals.
halcyon
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I was designing axles and trailer before SBS made there first one, and as I said it's how you use the trailer, not the trailer design that's at fault.
Brian
Brian
Sixpence
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At least it sounds like you're getting somewhere now , best of luck
