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Re: JC on Baravia

Jermey Clackson writes on the new Baravia 36

Out there in Kraut Land a mild revolution has been taking place in boat production. If you can design a boat like a bathtub it therefore stands to reason that you can turn it out at the same speed and for pretty much the same price. So german thinking goes.

The new Baravia 36 is not a bathtub tho it is a jacuzzi. There is room for more people inside than your average shanks and more toys inside than a fisher price factory.
You may recall that Fisher Price brought us the 'weebles' and 'my first kitchen'. It is here that Baravia seem to have drawn inspiration. Whilst the kitchen in the Baravia is capacious and well kitted out with a fridge cum ice maker and micorwave option it is unfortunately stored inside a hull with all the directional stability of a weeble.

Blow anything more than 15 knots across the deck and the whole thing inverts throwing your g and t out of its holder and causing you car dealer friend's wife to loose all colour despite her St Tropez tan.

It may be all well and good having all that room in the cabins for your loius vuitton luggage but it makes no sense to go the same shade as green each time the windpipes up.

This is a boat that screams med. It is a floating hospitality tent for senior managers who want to go boating without actually putting to sea. It has to be remembered that this boat is from a nation whose navy was more famous for 'Das Boots' that travelled under the water rather than on top. Obviously the Baravia has sorted the accomodation slightly betterthan Das Boot, althought there is still the same feeling of trepidation that you may not make it back in one piece.

There is a nav table.; It will fit a fully opened out Road atlas of great britain and it is close enough to the companion way steps that the crew donot have to travel too far to fetch their sunglasses and cream that will no doubt live under the lid.

On the straight the boat acheives 0-6 knots in 3 minutes, under engine of course.
The sails only come in one colour. There is a choice of beige or blue interior. Leather steering wheel is standard, pushpit seats extra. There are 2 bathrooms and a shower on the back. Ropes are optional.

So if your are more interested in your cocktails than your cockpit this boat is for you.





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Wicked!

Wozzmore, it was designed by neither Brunel nor Enzo Ferrari, which is always worth ten penalty points in Clarkie's book (available at some good book shops and all bad ones, £39.99 £6.99 p&p).

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Just read it

Good to see that the Twister got a mention in dispatches.

Always felt Tom was a man of taste, with sound judgement.

(Usual fiver is in the post, Tom)

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Re: mischief making

<<The real debate for me was the comments of Rodd Carr. Asked to ascribe a reason as to why Power is becoming more popular than sail he stated that technical skills required for power are less but other than that could not say as he is a sailor.>>

Surely power boat sales work when there is a perception of affluence in the economy? When there is a down-turn and people are forced to realize how expensive it is to get from A to B with them, then you find a lot of these expensive toys back on the market with a big write - down in their value.

It happens on each economic cycle, the current one (ie period of affluence) being perhaps more pronounced than previous ones.

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Re: Gap in the market

I think that the biggest problem today is that people (generally) do not seem to understand yachts (and by this I mean sailing boats - there isn't so much to understand about a motor boat /forums/images/icons/smile.gif). TC's article may not have been what people expected him to write in the YM column, but I thought it refreshing to see some straight, honest comments about a typical modern boat. But he didn't write them off as bad boats, but simply pointed out that todays trend in boat design isn't the only way (ie the Mystery 35 breaking away from the AWB approach).

It seems to me that what saddened him most was that the people who sail boats have come to expect this behaviour from a boat, and don't understand why it behaves as it does. As buyers of new boats we seem to be following the builders lead, so we find ourselves in a "feed back loop": AWB's sell, so they must be good, so design and build a new AWB, only more so because it will sell well. There seems to be no simple way to break this trend, these mass produced boat are (arguably) good value for money, and offer a reatively pain free way into yachting for those who do not feel upto taking on an older boat.

I do hope the Mystery 35 does well, it is a brave move by Hunter, in its favour is that it stands out from the crowd as both pretty and an excellent sailing boat. People buying this are not worried about its rather traditional interior layout - they will be looking for a sailing boat first - the rest is secondary. I suppose the question is, how many people out there are shopping in this market?

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Re: Gap in the market

Thanks for a very good post.

I fancy it might be quite difficult for someone to convert from a boat with very good accomodation (and in AWBs it is really very good now) to a boat with less. This may be where Hunter are taking a risk

If you have learned to sail on AWBs then their sort of behaviour is what you will expect, so a test sail will not show you anything that you did not foresee.

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Re: Gap in the market

I agree totally.

Sometimes you have to wonder about some of the other forumites. In one thread they're moaning that we need more 'Jeremy Clarkson' style reviews, with testers saying what they really think of the boat. But then when someone writes an article criticising some modern boats, they moan about it. Some people can never be happy!

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Re: Gap in the market

i am sure you are right
it sounded waaaay too made up

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Boat descriptions

"you can imagine what he'd say about said mass produced boats."

I don't have to imagine. I did my YM instructor assessment at the old National Sailing Centre. My course of eight candidates were on two boats, skippered by Tom and Stewart Quarrie. We were allocated to boats, but in Tom's initial briefing we were asked if we wanted to swop. In Tom's words (it's more than 20 years ago, but I can still remember them verbatim): "You can choose between a graceful but narrow-gutted old lady and a vicious hard-mouthed bitch." The two boats were a Contessa 32 and a Westerly Fulmar.

I was on the Contessa with Stewart, and more or less agree with the description, although we didn't have any really heavy weather. When we met them again the crew from the Fulmar described three really heavy spinnaker broaches. Since then I've had eight years sailing a Fulmar in weather varying from dead calm to a F9 gusting to 10 or higher, and I've broached once (an unexpected squall under full sail). I just wonder ........

Incidentally, three out of the eight passed.

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I think it is possible

Many holding tanks can be left out of circuit, with discharge direct overboard. In that case, there would be no special reason for the owner to discover the existence of the holding tank, which would smply remain unused.

The previous owner of my boat was unaware of the existence of the seacocks on the cockpit drains, they were a bit inacessible, and were just left open........for 33 years!

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Just a quick comment from a know-nothing stinky.While coming home the other day and passing all sorts of rag boats tacking up Long Reach on the Medway into a very strong 25 ish knot head wind.We happened to notice two similer sized rag boats a few metres apart on the same heading.One was a modern bavvy style boat and the other an old wooden thing.While the old wooden tub was cutting nicely through the waves,the other plastic thing was all over the place and nodding up and down like the Churchill Insurance doggy .Progress??????.

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