Time to ban motorboats from the Solent?

[flaming]

I broadly agree with you, but disagree with your assessment of the speed at which such a change could or would take place.

In the meantime, we can look forward to the sail-powered next generation of fishing boats and lifeboats.

I think it's a perception and political thing.

If you've just outlawed the sale of a diesel hatchback that can do over 60mpg principally on environmental grounds, why would you still allow a boat that uses more fuel in an afternoon than that car would use in a year, and does so purely for leisure purposes, to be sold?

Commercial vessels and lifeboats etc are a different matter.

 

[Robin]

Fawley power station is closed?

Fawley refinery is open?

 

[mjcoon]

Is there a plan to install electrical charging points every few miles at sea?

Yes, each one comes with a large windmill...

 

[LittleSister]

I think it's a perception and political thing.

Exactly. Which is why I'm not expecting a very fast change.

 

[flaming]

Exactly. Which is why I'm not expecting a very fast change.

I don't think 15 years from now to the end of Sale is fast!

 

[LittleSister]

I don't think 15 years from now to the end of Sale is fast!

Perhaps not fast enough, but . . .

If it does occur then, and I live that long, I can look forward to my boat attracting price premium then because of its diesel engine.

 

[Sybarite]

I think it's fairly inevitable that the sale of new ICE boats will be outlawed at the same time as new ICE cars. How much longer after that running an ICE boat will be feasible remains to be seen.

I started a thread on it How much longer will sales of boats with internal combustion engines be allowed?

Not everyone agreed....

I think that yachts with small auxiliary engines should receive positive discrimination from the authorities. In a sailing season I would normally use less fuel than on a normal week or two of driving.

 

[Robin]

I think that yachts with small auxiliary engines should receive positive discrimination from the authorities. In a sailing season I would normally use less fuel than on a normal week or two of driving.

Holier than thou syndrome. how much fuel do you use driving from Paris to Lorient to use your few wind assisted litres there??

After50 years of rag and stick boating and now I find myself an evil Smokey polluter. However we have no car, so NO road use fuel usage. whatsoever and none for 3 years now. We very rarely use public transport in any form and none at all since covid 19. I will apologise in advance for whatever CO2 gets released when it all inevitably ends in the crematorium. ?

 

[oldgit]

Not dissimilar debate going on recently over on the Thames forum.
For ages, the ancient overlords of the Thames ie. those with grand motorboats, which usually only appear for few brief weeks in high summer ie. that one good weekend in August, have been bitterly complaining about " their" river being taking over by the sort of people who are prepared to endure living in the Midlands but unaccountably bring there funny little narrowboats down onto the Thames.
They take up all the moorings and will insist in only doing about 5 knots everywhere, this can be very galling in the interlock Gran-Prix, when your 1000hp gin palace is racing another 1000 hp boat in the .5 kilometre race to the next lock.
Some unhelpful person than pointed out that the income from the narrowboats was probably keeping the river afloat during the other 11 months of the year when the motor boat owners were either in their Gites in France or on the internet forums complaining about narrowboats.
In a recent change of tack the most recent whinge has moved on to the sheer numbers of walkers,cyclists, kayakers,anglers, canoers,paddleboarders enjoying the river.
Whingeing about rowers is a given but the heinous crime of people swimming in the river has recently come to the fore.
Serious concerns rising about the fact that boaters on the Thames will have to actually look out the front window every now and then. !

 

[Sybarite]

Holier than thou syndrome. how much fuel do you use driving from Paris to Lorient to use your few wind assisted litres there??

After50 years of rag and stick boating and now I find myself an evil Smokey polluter. However we have no car, so NO road use fuel usage. whatsoever and none for 3 years now. We very rarely use public transport in any form and none at all since covid 19. I will apologise in advance for whatever CO2 gets released when it all inevitably ends in the crematorium. ?

I am half moved to Brittany and the rest is on the way. It's not my fault that they built Paris so far from the sea.

 

[Robin]

I am half moved to Brittany and the rest is on the way. It's not my fault that they built Paris so far from the sea.

Personally, I blame the EU for that.

 

[stranded]

I suspect (and hope) that the surprising public acquiescence in previously unthinkable COVID restrictions on their freedoms will embolden governments. Personal carbon budgets?

 

[Stemar]

The other day I had the misfortune to travel a good proportion of the North Circular, with the worse misfortune of making the return journey in the run up to rush crawl hour. I doubt all the gin palaces in the on the South Coast could muster up the pollution on that one road.

I could see a case for doing away with the huge, gas guzzling penis extensions, both on the road and the water but, no matter how much I may dislike them and their wake, I suspect it will be a decision made with little more scientific basis than banning anchoring in Studland.

 

[greeny]

Why are we all discussing ICE's in small boats when ships, tankers liners etc burn far more fuel and, I would hazard a guess, pollute far more than the boats we have.
Because it's commercial and they don't have to. Government will go for the easy target. Jo Public.
Just like the antifoul that is rubbish now for leisure users but the good stuff still seems to be available to the big boys.

 

[dehlerdave]

There is an awful lot of money being spent by ship owners to install scrubber systems in order to clean up exhaust emissions and get within limits in order to get into ports. Perhaps similar systems will be needed to keep MOBOs going in the future.

 

[Biggles Wader]

Scrubbers on ships? No shortage of them back in the day. Sailors eh?

 

[Stemar]

Just like the antifoul that is rubbish now for leisure users but the good stuff still seems to be available to the big boys.

There is a justification for that. The big boys don't spend 300 days a year in a marina with a couple of hundred other boats, all leaching TBT into an AONB.

 

[Portland Billy]

There seems to be an awful lot of exaggeration and over simplification on this thread. Also a bit of wishful thinking !

 

[dom]

I could see a case for doing away with the huge, gas guzzling penis extensions, both on the road and the water but...

Agreed, there is absolutely no need either for engines above say 1200cc, or old polluting bangers in towns today.

Forget the sea boats as they are basically operating in the middle of nowhere, it's the towns and cities that matter but politicians are too spineless to do anything radical to sort out a here-and-now problem as opposed to greenwashing themselves with waffle about global warming.

 

[ryanroberts]

Some unhelpful person than pointed out that the income from the narrowboats was probably keeping the river afloat during the other 11 months of the year when the motor boat owners were either in their Gites in France or on the internet forums complaining about narrowboats.

Used to love slotting my narrowboat into those locks a few inches from the disapproving glares of the gin palaces cheerily waving. Very few of them can drive the bloody things as well as them being wildly inappropriate craft for a non tidal river.