Threat over DIY antifouling - again

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I know there was a thread about this a while back somewhere, but anyway...
The BCF has issued a press release about the results of their survey (that prompted the original thread), it's over to the right in ybw's 'News' column. Basically says that most DIY application of antifouling is done responsibly.
There's also a rather pessimistic article about it all in the latest YM.
Quite apart from the threat of banning DIY application of the stuff, what I cannot understand is how anyone at the regulatory end of all this can possibly imagine that there could ever be enough professionals available to antifoul everyone's boats every year or two years. Just seems totally impractical to me. But what do I know anyway...
 
Cantata said:
I know there was a thread about this a while back somewhere, but anyway...
The BCF has issued a press release about the results of their survey (that prompted the original thread), it's over to the right in ybw's 'News' column. Basically says that most DIY application of antifouling is done responsibly.
There's also a rather pessimistic article about it all in the latest YM.
Quite apart from the threat of banning DIY application of the stuff, what I cannot understand is how anyone at the regulatory end of all this can possibly imagine that there could ever be enough professionals available to antifoul everyone's boats every year or two years. Just seems totally impractical to me. But what do I know anyway...
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You are assuming that common sense is part of any bureaucrat's mind set. :disgust:

Ian
 
Cantata said:
I know there was a thread about this a while back somewhere, but anyway...
The BCF has issued a press release about the results of their survey (that prompted the original thread), it's over to the right in ybw's 'News' column. Basically says that most DIY application of antifouling is done responsibly.
There's also a rather pessimistic article about it all in the latest YM.
Quite apart from the threat of banning DIY application of the stuff, what I cannot understand is how anyone at the regulatory end of all this can possibly imagine that there could ever be enough professionals available to antifoul everyone's boats every year or two years. Just seems totally impractical to me. But what do I know anyway...
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They will be a branch of the foreign car washing operatives
 
A Power wash whilst in the slings will cost more, due to disposal of said effluent, and DIY cleaning when chocked will be banned, Even if you "No speaka the english"
 
If they pursue this I think it more likely that they will just ban antifoul (as we know it) completely.. either professionally applied or not... either they'll adjust the contents to take anything "useful"(ie. harmful) out of it, or just ban it outright..

I'm looking to a future where I might be scrubbing two or three times a season...
 
Cantata said:
how anyone at the regulatory end of all this can possibly imagine that there could ever be enough professionals available to antifoul everyone's boats every year or two years. Just seems totally impractical to me. But what do I know anyway...
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If the money is right then 'professionals' will appear out of the woodwork in droves before you can say "how much!!!"
 
I think I've said this before but if 'they' do ban diy antifoul, the individual clubs could 'register' one or two people. It's unlikely that 'professionals' will have to be accredited other than having H&S policies in place and adhering to approved procedures. It will be a form filling exercise I imagine so a club can easily do it. Then all they have to do is send an 'approved' person to supervise the application by individual members. (Cup of tea and a woodbine etc........) Stupid I know but I can't see them being able to enforce such regulations. If it's a matter of only being able to buy antifoul that works if you are'registered' then the club will be able to buy it. Removes a lucrative chandlery piece of busines but bulk buying will be cheaper and the clubs can agree what works best locally.
 
Eurybia said:
Perhaps another reason to choose Coppercoat
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It might be in the future if they 'ban' antifoul but not currently.
I don't get the attraction of Coppercoat.
The cost of haul out, store ashore for a week, launch and the antifoul multiplied by the number of times we would do it over the life of Coppercoat is far less.
Actually, you'd have to come out to service seacocks, change anodes etc so in reality it's the cost of antifoul v the Coppercoat over 10 or maybe 15 years.
No brainer. Even on a 44ft motorsailer (20 litres of antifoul per time).
 
wingdiver said:
It might be in the future if they 'ban' antifoul but not currently.
I don't get the attraction of Coppercoat.
The cost of haul out, store ashore for a week, launch and the antifoul multiplied by the number of times we would do it over the life of Coppercoat is far less.
Actually, you'd have to come out to service seacocks, change anodes etc so in reality it's the cost of antifoul v the Coppercoat over 10 or maybe 15 years.
No brainer. Even on a 44ft motorsailer (20 litres of antifoul per time).
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Over the six years we've had Coppercoat now, we've never come out (well, once to have the rudder fixed, but never to anti-foul).
A lift-hold-drop once a year does us fine. Just the time to grease the prop, change the annodes and a quick pressurewash.
 
OR4751 said:
Over the six years we've had Coppercoat now, we've never come out (well, once to have the rudder fixed, but never to anti-foul).
A lift-hold-drop once a year does us fine. Just the time to grease the prop, change the annodes and a quick pressurewash.
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Indeed, lift out to block for a week or two and then lift back in around £500 for a 13m boat.

Compared to a mid season haul and scrub (left in the slings over lunch so anodes can be changed etc) less than £150.

Found Coppercoat better than the Hempel Hard Racing or Glide Speed I used to use, just a little slime after 14 months in.
 
wingdiver said:
£500? Really? Think our last invoice was £280 inc VAT for 15m boat.
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Titchmarsh prices:-
Haul/scrub/set down or load £16.45 per metre x13 = £213.85
Launch £15.15 per metre x13 = £196.95
Last time out need to pay for relocating the blocks so Coppercoat could be finished which added to the total cost, over £500. But still over £400 to have the boat out to conventionally antifoul the boat, every year.
Mid season haul and scrub £9.90 per metre x13 = £128.70.

Sorry not quoting accurate prices initially but was going from memory.

The other bonus was not having to crawl around under the boat painting two coats of antifoul on the hull or paying someone to do it.

My point was if antifoul could only be applied by a qualified professional and if you had to pay to have waste water from your scrub dealt with, Coppercoat may be a more popular option.
 
They seem to take this quite seriously in Germany.
A few years ago I helped to bring a yacht back from Feymarn. She was on a concrete yard and we slept aboard intending to antifoul and launch next day. I was up at dawn for a pee and thought I might as well make a start on the wet rubbing down. This was about 5.30 am but within a few minutes a police car turned up. He indicated the trickle of blue water and told me sternly that it was verboten to let this run into the drain. It hadn't quite reached the drain but a few minutes more it would have. Lucky he hadn't seen where I peed!
I assume that someone had shopped us Englanders.
 
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