Chris H
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I need to get a few jobs sorted then we will drive down to sof and stay until all this shit is lifted.
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PowerYachtBlog
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A bit OT
Love Syracuse. Also if you go down 20 nm South to Marzamemi it is another steal. You have Fontanne Bianche further South, and then Marzamemi with Capo Passero, Isolda dell Correnti, and Portopalo.
Just avoid Marzamemi on weekends (gets busy with folks coming down from up as Riposto), and berth and become friends with Paguro to have a berth at the entry of the town.
Also the nice thing about Marzamemi and Syracuse is that it is relatively a cheap cruising ground for berths and fuel wise.
Here is a video of my cruise from 2019;
Truro Ex Pat
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We are flying out to Nice on Tuesday 18th August and then moving to Italy from Menton on Wednesday.
We are heading up the Italian coast after looking at the numbers in France and now thinking of leaving the boat over winter in Italy, we have a car down there to come back and may have to go via Germany and then non stop to the tunnel as I think we avoid the quarantine if we don't get out of the car in France?
We were going to do France but due to the numbers and quarantine think Italy will be better and now after the comments above sound like a good idea. I think we will get as far as Livorno just past Pisa and then winter in Genoa.
We are heading up the Italian coast after looking at the numbers in France and now thinking of leaving the boat over winter in Italy, we have a car down there to come back and may have to go via Germany and then non stop to the tunnel as I think we avoid the quarantine if we don't get out of the car in France?
We were going to do France but due to the numbers and quarantine think Italy will be better and now after the comments above sound like a good idea. I think we will get as far as Livorno just past Pisa and then winter in Genoa.
Portofino
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There’s a form online you fill in before returning on the tunnel .
Its got your details inc passport number , dates etc .
Therefore it’s possible and say “possible “not a certainty that a jobsworth might x reference it with other agencies and discover you entered France .If thats within 14 days of your rtn and you choose not to quarantine and get found out ...then you know the fine structure and invite hassle .
If you stay in IT for excess of 14 days before your rtn then I think you should be Ok .Theres places on the form to date all movements ...ie for us CH , Fr and IT where our boat is .
Yes you can travel through a quarantine country by car ...if you don,t get out of the car , pick people up etc , you qualify as exempt .
Italy .
Makes sense in your situation.
living costs less too .Plenty of nice marina where you have described inc the one within walking distance of Genoa airport .
Plenty of others within an hour both sides like ours Loano .
Genoa airport is tiny and refreshingly easy to go through .
Nice is Frances 2 nd largest and incomparable size / hassle / crowd wise .
They all wear masks , social distance etc seem to comply ....feels pretty safe to Fr .
Fuel last week was €1.34 and rising slightly, but still below last years price
Heres my marina , Theres been a lot of investment recently .Most Fr CdA marinas are 60 s design .
Its got your details inc passport number , dates etc .
Therefore it’s possible and say “possible “not a certainty that a jobsworth might x reference it with other agencies and discover you entered France .If thats within 14 days of your rtn and you choose not to quarantine and get found out ...then you know the fine structure and invite hassle .
If you stay in IT for excess of 14 days before your rtn then I think you should be Ok .Theres places on the form to date all movements ...ie for us CH , Fr and IT where our boat is .
Yes you can travel through a quarantine country by car ...if you don,t get out of the car , pick people up etc , you qualify as exempt .
Italy .
Makes sense in your situation.
living costs less too .Plenty of nice marina where you have described inc the one within walking distance of Genoa airport .
Plenty of others within an hour both sides like ours Loano .
Genoa airport is tiny and refreshingly easy to go through .
Nice is Frances 2 nd largest and incomparable size / hassle / crowd wise .
They all wear masks , social distance etc seem to comply ....feels pretty safe to Fr .
Fuel last week was €1.34 and rising slightly, but still below last years price
Heres my marina , Theres been a lot of investment recently .Most Fr CdA marinas are 60 s design .
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jointventureII
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Nice marina, Loano.
I'm based in Genoa airport marina normally but we took our boat to Loano (Amico) for works this year.
I'm based in Genoa airport marina normally but we took our boat to Loano (Amico) for works this year.
Hooligan
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Thanks. That is really helpful. We are heading southwards post Syracuse and then around to the Egadis.
PowerYachtBlog
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After Marzamemi go to Marina di Ragusa very nice modern marina (second largest in Sicily), then if you feel like a short hope there Scoglietti very good for eating fish (in between Marina is a nice smallish anchor area called Punto Bracetto) after is Licata (and its large marina) then you have San Leonne, Sciaccia and after Sci you can head straight to the Egadi.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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We were in the Vieux Port in Menton last week for the first time. Lovely place. I have often thought about overwintering my boat in Italy hopefully to take advantage of cheaper maintenance costs compared to SoF. Assuming you need work done over winter on your boat how do you choose a competent marina in Italy who can provide the services you need?
Hooligan
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Thanks for this. Really looking forward to this. There are no boats down here it seems. Today we are literally the only boat in sight I shall contact as you suggested and let you know how goes.
MapisM
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During my boat search a few years ago, I got in touch with these folks for a potential full refitting of a 175 which was being auctioned by the bankrupcy administrators of LYC (the Ferretti commercial branch).
As you know, eventually I made a different choice, but I was impressed by their competence. They used to take care of commissioning and warranty issues for all new Ferrettis delivered this side of Italy, so chances are that they also commissioned yours.
After the financial meltdown and the LYC bankrupcy, they became independent, but the competence is still there.
I understood from them some details of the 175 (and also the 165 and the 57, which were the other models I was considering) that I don't think any surveyor ever heard of.
I can't tell you anything about costs vs. SoF, though.
But I guess you'd struggle to find any place which is NOT cheaper than SoF...
Alternatively, you can always come back down here.
It's only a 270Nm or so cruise, along some beautiful stretches of coast in both Corsica and Sardinia.
What's there not to like?
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During my boat search a few years ago, I got in touch with these folks for a potential full refitting of a 175 which was being auctioned by the bankrupcy administrators of LYC (the Ferretti commercial branch).
As you know, eventually I made a different choice, but I was impressed by their competence. They used to take care of commissioning and warranty issues for all new Ferrettis delivered this side of Italy, so chances are that they also commissioned yours.
After the financial meltdown and the LYC bankrupcy, they became independent, but the competence is still there.
I understood from them some details of the 175 (and also the 165 and the 57, which were the other models I was considering) that I don't think any surveyor ever heard of.
I can't tell you anything about costs vs. SoF, though.
But I guess you'd struggle to find any place which is NOT cheaper than SoF...
Alternatively, you can always come back down here.
It's only a 270Nm or so cruise, along some beautiful stretches of coast in both Corsica and Sardinia.
What's there not to like?
Mmm, werent those the people who didnt bother quoting to replace my windows? The thought has crossed my mind many times just to come south to Sacirn for the winter but it would probably cost me €20k in fuel alone
Portofino
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Yes Amico have a good rep .
@ mike they have a crane for the tiddlers
Put them on wheeled cradles .
The boats in the water are having work done too .
Hotel with pool , + other facilities etc+ as said living is cheap eg pizza starts at single figures and rarely goes over double .
Best one is - Stella ( which comes from France ) under €5 as opposed to €8 on the CdA .......work that one out ?
Well I think we know the answer
Quoted me just under €2500 inc for Scrub , acid clean , 2 x coats of AF inc something on the sterngear .Anodes at cost .
Which I thought was ok .
They normally have 2/3 “ tiddlers “ out in between the SY s
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Yes Amico have a good rep .
@ mike they have a crane for the tiddlers
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The boats in the water are having work done too .
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Hotel with pool , + other facilities etc+ as said living is cheap eg pizza starts at single figures and rarely goes over double .
Best one is - Stella ( which comes from France ) under €5 as opposed to €8 on the CdA .......work that one out ?
Well I think we know the answer
Quoted me just under €2500 inc for Scrub , acid clean , 2 x coats of AF inc something on the sterngear .Anodes at cost .
Which I thought was ok .
They normally have 2/3 “ tiddlers “ out in between the SY s
Do you only eat pizza washed down with Stella? Very British!
Out of interest why did you choose Loano as opposed to any of the other marinas on that stretch like Menton, Imperia, San Remo or Verazze?
MapisM
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Doh! Were they? I didn't remember that.
Well, if so forget them. Who doesn't want your business doesn't deserve it!
Hooligan
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BTW great video. The dogs definitely look very happy! Just booked Marina Di Ragusa.
MapisM
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Yeah, but you should allocate that amount to holiday cruises, not to boat maintenance.The thought has crossed my mind many times just to come south to Sacirn for the winter but it would probably cost me €20k in fuel alone
I don't need to teach you anything on man math, surely?
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Yeah, but you should allocate that amount to holiday cruises, not to boat maintenance.
I don't need to teach you anything on man math, surely?
Unfortunately my money is still being allocated to a pile of concrete and bricks on a hill. I used to think that boats were money pits but houses are a whole lot worse
Bouba
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I keep telling you, you don’t need to spend so much on securityUnfortunately my money is still being allocated to a pile of concrete and bricks on a hill. I used to think that boats were money pits but houses are a whole lot worse
Portofino
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The autoroute comes close so from up there from Savona to Ventimiglia you can glimpse them .
So we used to come off and reccy + have lunch at them ....all of them .
Theres nothing wrong with any of them , depends what you want .Loano is physically very close ..only about 15 mins where the main N/S autoroute to Torino meets the coast E/W .
Theres an island ...Gallinara where you can anchor right up , it s 20 M until about 2 m off ! .about 8 miles W so you can always find shelter .
People think ( we all did geography at school ) that the coast runs W to E to the top of Italy’s leg .
But this bit is more N/S , so my compass says 0 degrees from the island back to Loano and 180 to it .
Theres also a swanky hotel , with a pool on top ( see pic ^^^ ) on site talking €200 / night its only got something like 8 rooms .
Its ideal for our friends and they book themselves with in .Obviously there are many more like Antibes in town to choose .
Underground car parks = shade ,and you can rent a garage to hide your car + park for us 20 M from our berth ...,think lugging stuff .They also deliver water bottles via golf buggy , remove oil + batteries from your berth ...again you dont have to lug those s about .
A few commerce shops and on site eateries.
Its what Antibes + other old CdA marinas should be like ,
Finger berths .....at first I thought Hmm ? ....but you can access the sides of your boat .
Theres zero service charge a huge boost, the meter for water / leccy is on a rechargeable fob .
Our Aircon use age is about a€6 / night .
From January to June ( basically lockdown = just charger on ) used about €70 worth .
Wifi is €100 / pa ....and it works ok .
The other way for a short swim trip is Varigotti.....never seen anything like it .Theres no sea wall ( maybe the N/S orientation of the shore = zilch bad storms ? ) so the houses are on the beach literally. Contrast that with the citadel in Antibes old town ...huge walls which the sea does blow up in a E storm .
Varazzi was expensive ( owned by a famous family ) ...nice place about 1/2 hr from Genoa airport .
Loano is 1 hr to Genoa or 2 to Nice / Antibes .
A little gem is Alassio ....it’s where they ( Sinatra , Sophia Loren et al ) used to hang out before Bardot got her kit off in St Trop .
So is a up market place without the cruise ships , campers and crowds who daily trash st Trop .Its Marina is about 1 mike out of town .Between the marina and town are up market villas . There’s a yard there too , and the island Gallinara is just off the town .
Quite a secret really .
no sea wall as such ...just walk straight out on to the beach .Varragotti
We are near Alassio thats Gallinara, with a few boats ( W/E ) and the boat near, which I think you should recognise ,just popped out of Alassio about a mile away anchored with two crew and elderly “ owners “ went for a swim ....nice + private etc .Afterwards they just slipped back into the marina .So you know low cost fuel wise .
Alassio is just round the first headland ...just see the marina , with a castle next to it .
This is a typical sea state ......no kidding it’s not Itama country here
You don,t need stabs here either.You would go bust trying to flog sea keepers here .Meanwhile in the CdA you couldn’t get enough...booming business .
Crazily flat dead calm ....this is 20 miles W from the pic above toward Savona .
Nothing breaking on the rocks ..weird ?
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Truro Ex Pat
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We arrived yesterday via LHR had a form locator thrusted on us in the plane from BA and completed it as you do!
Then got off plane and could not give the form away! no one would take it, the passport guys did not want to know!
I had a quick fix on my passerelle and now tomorrow i am in San Remo, I then go to Imperia and Loano and Savona although cant find a website for them so may need to-hone, I am booked in to Genoa old port and will take a look at the marina at the airport as this is favourite for leaving it over winter as they have a massive cheap offer!
I am going down Pisa next week and then back up to finish in Genoa.
I should have done more than 14 days in Italy so hopefully will be ok with flying back or driving via Germany and non stoping to the tunnel!
I am looking for some guadinage for Genoa Marina at the airport marina so if anyone has any contacts that would be good.
Then got off plane and could not give the form away! no one would take it, the passport guys did not want to know!
I had a quick fix on my passerelle and now tomorrow i am in San Remo, I then go to Imperia and Loano and Savona although cant find a website for them so may need to-hone, I am booked in to Genoa old port and will take a look at the marina at the airport as this is favourite for leaving it over winter as they have a massive cheap offer!
I am going down Pisa next week and then back up to finish in Genoa.
I should have done more than 14 days in Italy so hopefully will be ok with flying back or driving via Germany and non stoping to the tunnel!
I am looking for some guadinage for Genoa Marina at the airport marina so if anyone has any contacts that would be good.