A1Sailor
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I guess I am not as familiar with the loopholes in evading VHF/DSC licencing as you and your Dad.
Good luck to him, though.
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I guess I am not as familiar with the loopholes in evading VHF/DSC licencing as you and your Dad.
Good luck to him, though.
A1Sailor
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Good idea. I'll bin my handheld and do without.
Woodlouse
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Over and out doesn't necessarily mean they've not been taught how to use a radio. You hear it so often in films and things that it can become ingrained into your subconscious and just slip out.
As for other procedure that indicates not having a license, only the coastguard seems to keep to the formal methods, everyone else, from professional seamen to port controls might make the first call formal, but be very casual in the communication thereafter.
Uricanejack
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In the distant past I was issued my radio license by the Post Office. I also had a license to watch TV.
The attitude when VHF became generally available to small pleasure boats was it was better they had one than worry about the license,.
Why would you give a monkey's about a requirment for radio opperators certificate on a boat where there is no requirment to have any certificate to operate the boat?
The attitude when VHF became generally available to small pleasure boats was it was better they had one than worry about the license,.
Why would you give a monkey's about a requirment for radio opperators certificate on a boat where there is no requirment to have any certificate to operate the boat?
macd
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Loopholes? Where did you pluck that from. A loophole is something that allows one to circumvent a law or regulation, but legally. prv's dad, to judge by the information he's given, is circumventing regulations by the simpler expedient of ignoring them. There's a difference.
A1Sailor
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Is prv's Dad using his VHF/DSC set illegally, then? Appalling, if true!
Pye_End
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I always wondered why item 11 was in there as it is invariably 'in need of immediate assistance' with a Mayday. Can see the point if it needs to be something else, but this particular phrase seems implicit and irrelevant - the course stresses cutting out superfluous words.
Woodlouse
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What ever happened to MIPDANIO?
Mayday
Identification
Position
Distress (nature of)
Assistance (required)
Number of people on board
Information (any other relevant)
Over
PeterBoater
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There are at least seven errors in the example re-quoted in posts 47 and 48, including Item 11. MIPDANIO, wherever that came from, is wrong too.
Woodlouse
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Taught to me when I got my long range radio ticket. It's simplified but it gives you the order in which your supposed to give information when making the call.
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Perhaps you could point out the errors, thanks.
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ninky
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Vara
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I do think people get a bit anal about correct voice procedure in serious distress situations, it was designed for old style radios and old style static, hence phonetic alphabet etc.
With modern VHF establish comms with coastguard or if out of range just make a call, if in deep s hit the magic word is Mayday, your position is critical, and if possible what the problem is, all the MMSI,name of vessel and call sign are icing on the cake. Just the bare information will get the ball rolling.
Having listened to a fair few maydays and initiated one, the recipients of the message are keen to get help to you, not mark you out of ten on procedure, if any vital info is missing they will ask for it.
I would hate to think that any distress call was delayed by slavish devotion to the correct procedure.
With modern VHF establish comms with coastguard or if out of range just make a call, if in deep s hit the magic word is Mayday, your position is critical, and if possible what the problem is, all the MMSI,name of vessel and call sign are icing on the cake. Just the bare information will get the ball rolling.
Having listened to a fair few maydays and initiated one, the recipients of the message are keen to get help to you, not mark you out of ten on procedure, if any vital info is missing they will ask for it.
I would hate to think that any distress call was delayed by slavish devotion to the correct procedure.
lw395
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Indeed.
In fact I suspect a pause after a the first few phrases for the CG to respond can be helpful.
Gabbling on through the whole speil won't help much if the first bit was overspoken.
[70521]
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We spent a very plesent few hours in one of the French Semaphores last month. They are like the CG, but part of the French Navy, thankfully my wife speaks French and was able to translate the historical bit. What was intersting was our discussion about radio procedure. Several of the Watch had very good basic English, but they pointed out that it is an agreed international message and
a) You can speak it in any language, but the key points are all there because of the format
b) Having the MMSI and Callsign does two things, identify the vessel (cross refrences the Digital Signal) and slows the speaker down - giving everybody time to make sure the details are recorded correctly.
Having a good ID of the vessel they can call the UK CG and get the CG66 details with that information giving them a clearer picture of the vessel.
I wonder what they would make of some of my Peterhead friends? Even I, as a west coast Scot, find it difficult to follow them!
Yeoman of England
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Mayday
Greetings All
The main point is the word "Mayday". At any HMCG station there are always at least 2 people monitoring channel 16. However with the recent closures that means that we have to monitor multiple aerial sites. We will reply instantly, always the first question is: What is your position. As soon as we have that the ball starts rolling. When we know the nature of
the distress we can always scale the units down. We cannot make up for lost time. Voice procedure is way down the list, good comms is top.
We will then start asking the, for some, more mundane questions: intentions, wx on scene etc.
Hope this helps
Greetings All
The main point is the word "Mayday". At any HMCG station there are always at least 2 people monitoring channel 16. However with the recent closures that means that we have to monitor multiple aerial sites. We will reply instantly, always the first question is: What is your position. As soon as we have that the ball starts rolling. When we know the nature of
the distress we can always scale the units down. We cannot make up for lost time. Voice procedure is way down the list, good comms is top.
We will then start asking the, for some, more mundane questions: intentions, wx on scene etc.
Hope this helps