Never Grumble
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I'd hoped for a couple of days out in January.
There goes next season?
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Maybe so. The problem might be who decides whats a reasonable excuse and can you risk putting it to the test. If its the same as during the last lockdown the first offence fine is £200 or if paid quickly reduced to £100 and NO criminal record. However, if you challenge it in court and lose you get a criminal record. I can't afford that due to work so wouldn't be able to risk challenging it.
During the last lockdown I towed a dinghy over 100 miles inc motorway and expected to be stopped. I'd printed off the regs from gov websites where it proved sailing is allowed, knowing that I needed to prove it to the police on the side of the road and not get the fine rather than later in court. I didn't get stopped of course.
Lucky Duck
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Certainly the police have publicly proved that their 'over enthusiastic' officers have not understood the laws they are supposed to be upholding on more than one occasion this year and I would be circumspect about travelling from tier 4 to tier 1, but it think it is worth bearing in mind what the law says rather than what some think it should!
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100%, not least so we can very gently inform the police what the law is these days. But we have to accept there's a risk that while we might think we're not breaking the law as it's vaguely written, "going sailing on my yacht" will be viewed about as far from essential travel as it gets and we might not come out of it well. Even if we don't see it like that it looks more akin to going to our holiday home (not allowed) than going to do outdoor exercise as close as reasonably possible to home which is the spirit of the law at least. Within tier zone seems ok, crossing tiers even from 4 to 3 very doubtful it would be allowed. Bare in mind judges might find against you despite the law being on your side. Hence appeals and then a higher appeal until eventually you might win in 2022 because the law was on your side all along, but who has time or money or stress reserves for that.
Cathy*
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This is a depressing thought. Easter? I don't think so. If the virus is still doing the rounds by Easter it will surely have moved on from the south coast. My boat is currently squatting in Northney until the end of March when we have a berth booked in Gosport. Perhaps I should renew with QAB and save a couple of grand.
stuartwineberg
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OK - please refer to my original post where I was just lamenting not being able to ge to my boat. If you want to debate the rules and regs please start another thread. Good wishes and hopefully happy sailing sometime next year
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100% this won't be over by Easter. No way at all. As an indication look at this Vaccine Queue Calculator for the UK and enter as an average under 50 years healthy person. You get this:
Based on your profile, there are between 27,132,105 and 38,844,493 people in front of you in the queue for a COVID vaccine across the UK.
? Given a vaccination rate of 1,000,000 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your vaccine between 29/06/2021 and 19/09/2021.
They already extended the furlough scheme till end of April.
If Covid19 becomes a new seasonal flu as many expect we can expect infections to go right down and restrictions to be much less over the summer
RJJ
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I would try to hook up with fellow owners and sue the hell out of them.
It's down to you to comply with the law as it applies to you personally. It's absolutely none of the yard or marina's business whether you do (in any given tier) exercise, do maintenance, stay overnight or do the crossword over a cuppa.
Their obligation is to ensure social distancing and hygiene measures can be applied by customers and staff. I think in all cases this is completely easy, give or take keeping the loos and showers open.
If they tell you you are excluded from the premises, it's a unilateral breach of contract. They refund you, or they agree with you some flexibility for access that reasonably meets your needs.
As an aside, I don't think the restrictive "guidance" regarding maintenance is enforceable. A judge may interpret the law; in my view essential maintenance is a reasonable excuse to travel. Improvement work might not be.
Babylon
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Don't want to wade into the marina discussion... just want to say that next season will be fine!
savageseadog
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Corporate responsibility perhaps
We have an issue in Liverpool. Our cruising grounds are pretty much all out of bounds, Wales, Scotland, IOM, Ireland. Not sure about NI.
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Flipping heck. Hadn't considered that. Thought it was bad enough with Brexit making channel crossings harder but you can't even go left or right. You'll have to take up round the cans racing
RJJ
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Corporate responsibility to whom?
Other owners? Only if they also chose to visit their boats. Staff? To a far lesser extent than supermarkets, pharmacies, and any other businesses that remain open.
Yourself as the customer? So stay home.
Never Grumble
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I feel your pain, I reckon this year each nautical mile cost me at least £50 probably £60 (if I could be bothered to add it all up). boat sat in marina during lockdown with engine work I was doing outstanding and then by the time allowed back in and finished it all off the start of the summer had gone. I've still got stuff to do this winter, but not sure I can be bothered, I reckon Easter is rather optimistic. So far they reckon 500,000 people have been vaccinated, the wife had hers yesterday, but she still has to go back mid January to get the second booster jab, seems to me that this is going to take sometime. I might head down on Wednesday and scrub the deck, unlikely I will need a hose as its forecast cats and dogs. I'm thinking along the same lines might as well have the boat tied up somewhere cheap not being used as opposed to more expensive.
Denek
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I am being positive for next season quietly getting the boat ready for an extended sail west from Levington on the east coast. A lot of us will be vaccinated by the spring. Christmas is a washout I know but just going to use the time to plan and prepare the boat. If the rain stops that is. ?
38mess
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I'm a commercial operator, my two boats are locked down again in the marina. I don't expect any refund or reduction in fees this year or next year.
Marinas have substantial overheads and have staff to pay 24-7. I can get to the boats if I want because they are my livelihood and as such need to be kept ready to go.
I don't think we will be able to operate until summer, or until the hospital's start to empty again.
Marinas have substantial overheads and have staff to pay 24-7. I can get to the boats if I want because they are my livelihood and as such need to be kept ready to go.
I don't think we will be able to operate until summer, or until the hospital's start to empty again.
Never Grumble
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as a commercial operator it begs the question have you like the marinas also received government support?
Mark-1
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They can't sail, but you can.
Mark-1
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That's just wrong. Sailing is allowed, it's not up for debate.
Never Grumble
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Which is fine as long as I want to single hand but I don't.
dom
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Not wising to rain on your
As for vague legal notions of judges, enforceability, and contract law, wrapped up in a "they can't tell me what to do attitude" .......this is plain silly, the country is in the middle of a viral sh*t storm, people are dying, businesses are wobbling, the little critter is mutating, and the drug companies are working every hour god sent.
If the OP wants to do something on his boat, he just needs to call Premier, agree a lawful visit, and if not possible ask them to help which they will. Then mail them a Christmas Card with a nice bottle of wine and save the lawyers fees
