The tender trap ?

[Frogmogman]

(With apologies to my fellow Frank Sinatra fans).
How about this for a neat solution to the issue of where to stow the tender. These photos are from a Bepox 10,50 yacht for sale in France.

Inspired by a Russian doll perhaps ? The tender seems to have another section which is bolted on the end as per those stackable solid tenders.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

The bolt-on after part of the tender is shown in the photograph stowed at the back of the main part, just behind the thwart. Great space-saving idea bestowing the advantages of a solid tender.
Nice boat. Strangely, the tender is not listed in the equipment schedule.

 

[mjcoon]

Can't see any actual bolt-holes! Maybe the two halves of the tender float independently so long as the water is smooth enough. And the "freeboard" is defined by the height of the partition between the halves. Maybe that also makes the launching process OK for two fit crew?

Similarly the combination of tender pram bow and mainsheet track needs a bit of nimbleness to hop over; probably more than I have left!

 

[ProDave]

It looks to solve one problem while creating a different problem, a very awkward uncomfortable cockpit

 

[sarabande]

The journalist and racer Jack Knights designed something very similar in the late 1960s. His tender completely filled the cockpit.

I wonder what happens when a wave fills the tender/cockpit ? Frantic bailing ?

 

[Bajansailor]

I saved copies of the two photos, and when I enlarged them I could see 4 little bolt holes in the transoms for joining the sections together.
Re the (effective) freeboard, you could perhaps add a neoprene gasket along the top of the joining transoms in order to make it (more) water tight.
Although we have had 3 people in my 7'6" two part home designed / built dinghy, and the hull freeboard was maybe 8" (ie the tops of the joining bulkheads were just underwater) and I was pleased to see no water coming in, despite no gasket.

My dinghy is a smaller version of Danny Greene's Chameleon - I designed it using the info in this link as a basis (I could not get hold of him, re buying plans from him).
Chameleon

I wonder what happens when a wave fills the tender/cockpit ? Frantic bailing ?

It could be possible perhaps to put a large screw in bung in the bottom, and leave the bung out when the dinghy is in the cockpit?
I saw a dinghy once where the yacht's babystay went through a screw in deck plate in the hull bottom when the dinghy was stowed upside down on the foredeck.
And I did a couple of proposals many years ago for pals who had 28' and 31' yachts - deck stowage space was almost non-existent, but I worked the two stowed upside down sections to fit around the forward end of the coach roof. This resulted in a very beamy design with rather pinched ends (with no doubt a lower than ideal prismatic coefficient) but I think they would have worked ok if they were built.

 

[Blueboatman]

(With apologies to my fellow Frank Sinatra fans).
How about this for a neat solution to the issue of where to stow the tender. These photos are from a Bepox 10,50 yacht for sale in France.

Inspired by a Russian doll perhaps ? The tender seems to have another section which is bolted on the end as per those stackable solid tenders.
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Having used a couple and owning one I think it would be even better with a bolt on pointy bow. Instead of a flat pram bow . Could be a simple solid foam glassed over component and a couple of locating pins and one central bolt/wing nut !
It would row and point better into any sort of chop.
The mothership looks interesting too !

 

[RJJ]

It looks to solve one problem while creating a different problem, a very awkward uncomfortable cockpit

With a bit of refinement, surely....? You leave the outboard attached, you heave the whole lot in using a handybilly attached to a harness point at the companionway. Seems tempting.

We have just returned from a year on board. I have to say stowing and lashing the dinghy on the foredeck, and removing the outboard every time, lost its novelty very early on. Davits are fugly, expensive, heavy and many people reported severe dinghy damage offshore.

I would love to see this developed.

 

[Frogmogman]

The journalist and racer Jack Knights designed something very similar in the late 1960s. His tender completely filled the cockpit.

I wonder what happens when a wave fills the tender/cockpit ? Frantic bailing ?

Rather than Bajansailor’s hole drilled in the bottom, how about a lightly spring loaded cat-flap in the rear panel of the Forrad section ?

It looks to solve one problem while creating a different problem, a very awkward uncomfortable cockpit

As to the comfort in the cockpit, I agree that it could be tweaked, but it wouldn’t be too bad sitting with your feet in the dinghy. In view of the beam of the boat, I’d imagine a lot of hand steering would be done with a tiller extension whilst sitting on the coaming.

The mothership looks interesting too !

I’ve long been a fan of the Bepox boats. A Bepox 9,90 won the Transquadra in 2017 or 2018

 

[Frogmogman]

Of course, the other Gallic attempt at a solution to the dinghy stowage problem on small boats is IDB’s Malango. Shown here is the 8,88; I also like the built-in beaching legs. Perfect for pottering around in Brittany,

It’s predecessor, the 8.70 shared its hill with the Bongo 8.70. The downside to the Malango designs is that you are restricted to a very narrow dinghy. I think this is even more so on the 8,88 as they also squeezed in a rear cabin.

Both photos courtesy of IDB’s website.

 

[Bouba]

How about something like this...

is the jet ski the tender? or is the boat the tender?

 

[Frogmogman]

Who can tell ?

 

[Blueboatman]

Rather than Bajansailor’s hole drilled in the bottom, how about a lightly spring loaded cat-flap in the rear panel of the Forrad section ?

As to the comfort in the cockpit, I agree that it could be tweaked, but it wouldn’t be too bad sitting with your feet in the dinghy. In view of the beam of the boat, I’d imagine a lot of hand steering would be done with a tiller extension whilst sitting on the coaming.


I’ve long been a fan of the Bepox boats. A Bepox 9,90 won the Transquadra in 2017 or 2018

Yup me too

 

[Frogmogman]

Having a quick browse, I see that there’s a Bepox 750 for sale in Galicia asking €18K, if @Wansworth felt like stretching his budget.

Occasion 2004 Bepox 750 | Annonces du Bateau

 

[Frogmogman]

But then, I think he’s more in the market for an Oyster now.

 

[Wansworth]

Having a quick browse, I see that there’s a Bepox 750 for sale in Galicia asking €18K, if @Wansworth felt like stretching his budget.

Occasion 2004 Bepox 750 | Annonces du Bateau

No?

 

[Blueboatman]

Inside that Oyster suggestion is a pearl of wisdom

Go on , you only buy a 57/65/93/153 foot Oyster once in a lifetime surely ??

 

[Blueboatman]

Having a quick browse, I see that there’s a Bepox 750 for sale in Galicia asking €18K, if @Wansworth felt like stretching his budget.

Occasion 2004 Bepox 750 | Annonces du Bateau

That would be the perfect Ria day sailer
Nice wide side decks
Outboard motor
Spacious cockpit
Looks like it might sail ok?

Wouldn’t have to deliver it very far either.
Sorted ?

 

[mjcoon]

Rather than Bajansailor’s hole drilled in the bottom, how about a lightly spring loaded cat-flap in the rear panel of the Forrad section ?

That was quite standard on sailing dinghies such as my Enterprise. Plus a self-bailer (or, in mine two!) in the floor of the hull.
Edit: have just stumbled on an old photo - transom flaps visible...