Bouba
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We hear about the costs, what about the savings. A fifty foot boat with the internal space of a sixty footer is a huge saving in costs, both purchase and ongoing.
The popularity of IPS today
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kashurst
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A 50 foot boat on V drives is just as space saving and a lot simpler. Re handling; you can get integrated joysticks to control all engines and thrusters.
Rappey
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I've watched a video which explained and showed really well how to joystick steer in any direction.
I'm impressed. Might take a while to master? But what a great idea.
For those that have it new then why not?
As mentioned earlier though, much further down the line, age, for those on a budget it could be a scary proposition ?
I'm impressed. Might take a while to master? But what a great idea.
For those that have it new then why not?
As mentioned earlier though, much further down the line, age, for those on a budget it could be a scary proposition ?
Sticky Fingers
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Yes, I kind of agree but its complexity / "reputation" put me off (but I then bought a joystick-equipped sterndrive boat so who am I to talk...).
I don't recognise the berthing scenario described by Firefly in Post 11, I've watched numerous IPS boats dock in crowded Med and UK marinas with minimal fuss and seemingly good control.
Rappey
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I can understand where firefly is coming from. I've seen a fair few times a motorboat getting into a tighter and tighter situation and with that can come panic, and even more increasing thrust until the boat is leaping up and down with each blast of the engines ,usually ending in a crunch.
For fireflys case to happen it would seem like they must have been using handfuls of throttle with the joystick?
Would there be older systems where it's completely manual and a lot harder to control ?
For fireflys case to happen it would seem like they must have been using handfuls of throttle with the joystick?
Would there be older systems where it's completely manual and a lot harder to control ?
Bandit
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If you give any boats stern gear a good wallop it's going to be expensive or a total loss if you hole the boat.
IPS needs regular thorough servicing, like an outdrive does, unless you have competent, thorough, regular servicing where problems are looked for it will cost you in the long run.
I have seen all sorts of wallops from dinged props, to "P" brackets being pushed through the hull and having to chop up the prop shaft to get it out, its rarely cheap.
An analogy is a couple of years ago I wanted to retire my Trusty 16 year old Toyota Amazon, I wanted a manual, big cube engine.
Almost all large 4wd's are auto only, ended up buying and all electronic Volvo XC 90 ,2 litre, not what I wanted, but what I could get .
IPS needs regular thorough servicing, like an outdrive does, unless you have competent, thorough, regular servicing where problems are looked for it will cost you in the long run.
I have seen all sorts of wallops from dinged props, to "P" brackets being pushed through the hull and having to chop up the prop shaft to get it out, its rarely cheap.
An analogy is a couple of years ago I wanted to retire my Trusty 16 year old Toyota Amazon, I wanted a manual, big cube engine.
Almost all large 4wd's are auto only, ended up buying and all electronic Volvo XC 90 ,2 litre, not what I wanted, but what I could get .
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Deleted User YDKXO
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I know why youre suddenly a paid up member of the IPS fan club. You are lusting after an Absolute Navetta arent you? I can see straight through you. Can I be a fly in the wall when you tell F please
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Deleted User YDKXO
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But its going to cost more. The selling point for boat builders is that the smaller IPS engines + drives cost less to buy and install than the equivalent larger engined shaftdrive system with V drive boxes. And there's more flexibility on the positioning of the IPS engines if jack shafts are used
Switch
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Do you need 1st hand ?
4 examples when I was in La Nap .
All friends to the extent of socialising , mob numbers , cruising in Co , anchoring up near , booking restaurant tables , etc etc .
Age span from brand new Azimut , new S/Sker , 5 y Sessa , 10 y S/ Skr .
Two of the above meet up in the U.K. for restaurants as well .
How well we know them let others judge ?
Felt the odd one out @ dinner as no issues to discuss..
Hope that adds some qualifications to my knowledge of IPS for potential newbies making decisions .
For a balanced view perhaps you could provide some stories of other drive types (shafts, out drives, out boards) that have also suffered mechanical/electronic failure or is it only IPS boats in your circle/marina that fail?
Bouba
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She knows. There’s one on the island that I pay homage to every time I go there. Also, at boat shows the Absolute ladies are the nicest there. The reality is that my other half is rapidly going off boating ?I know why youre suddenly a paid up member of the IPS fan club. You are lusting after an Absolute Navetta arent you? I can see straight through you. Can I be a fly in the wall when you tell F please
I agree that pods are just one more problem on a boat and boats are nothing but problems. But you can’t avoid them, they aren’t taking over, they have taken over
Bouba
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The selling point isn’t the extra bedroom. It’s ease of use. The market is not someone who’s worked his way up from small boats over the years, it’s a big boat as a first boat. Also the wives, truly how many wives actually park their boats?
paul salliss
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Jon Mendez, the best boat driver I have ever met
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Is it? As kashurst pointed out you can get joystick control for any drive system these days so IPS dont have that advantage any more although the IPS joystick control is very good
Bouba
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It’s true but it’s like buying an electric car, there are plenty out there but your mind instantly thinks Tesla. If you want joystick control you think Volvo IPS, it’s brand recognition
Sticky Fingers
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Well I did, then I tried one (several times) and hated it, and bought an iPace...
Sticky Fingers
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True, IPS and presumably all other joystick systems have improved a lot since IPS launched in 2005 (ish) too.
Sticky Fingers
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When the joystick is active the throttles and wheel are inactive. So doesn't seem likely unless it's failed.
Switch
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Well I bought a Tesla and I have a boat with IPS - I think both are excellent.
TonyR123
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I like IPS but as said before my next boat doesn’t have to have them. However if a boat is available with shafts and IPS then the hull surely hasn’t been designed for IPS so would go with shafts. Main benefit is extra living space when compare to shafts. Just look at Pearl 62 v a Princess F62. I believe issues are no worse (or better) provide you have them properly maintained. All maintenance is stored online now - so when buying you can confirm its service history quite easily. Current boat is in its 5th year now and not a single issue for me so far. They are more technical than a shaft but so are modern car engines, but I don’t service modern car engines anymore so the maintenance side doesn’t bother me.
Orthop
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Yes and it´s one of the most exciting questions if you want to upgrade in the 50 ft range. It´s really hard to find an new ish boat of the leading brands like F,S and P...without pods...
What about s/skers `s V-DRIVE? Are there problems known with this system? Are they equal with conventional shaft drives?