The perfect boat..........

Nautical

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Well I have just learnt that age old lesson there is no such thing as a perfect boat (well as far as I can tell)

Spent the last two days doodling to see if there was a way to build my perfect boat. After twenty attempts I ve given up, there is no such thing.

Came up with some interesting points though.

1. For Irish sea area biggest boat you want is 12/13m tother wise half the places you want to go you can't fit in.

2. Gotta have two bogs otherwise non boaty freinds wont come.

3. Has to be capable of a comfortable 20 knts cruise in up to a 5 otherwise half the time round here you will spend tootling at displacement speed.

4. Has to have good range as loads of places dont have refueling

5. Gotta be able to take the ground or again lots of places are out of bounds

6. has to have realy good fendering or no go to the fishy ports as you end up along side smelly rusty fish buckets that dont give a toss about ripping your lovely chrome fendering off as they squezze past.

7. Must have large comfy saloon as much of your time is spent loafing about on board cus its always raining.

8. Non fly bridgy thing cus it horrible up there in nasty weather and most times you want all that visability when coming into strange port in blowy weather but it offers crap weather protection and makes SWMBO sea sick cus of the amount of angle of dangle in sloppy weather plus pain in the bum up and down them narrow steps in foul weather. Best to have big saloon helm with monster demisters and biggy windows.

10. big lazerette or garage for all the schrapnel otherwise everything is hanging off the rails and dangling off the ass end.

11. Gotta have decent gen set, proper heating, proper galley, big water heater, wet hanging locker and dry hanging lockers, grab handles throughout, grippy wooden or teak flooring, easy clean upolstery, bigum ventilation throughout or end up with wet everything, lockers that act like big bins so you can fit household sized stuff in, fiddles on all surfaces one could go on forever.

12. A helm seat that is sprung and fully adjustable and a dash / consol that looks as if someone put some thought into it rather than screw everything to flat panels.

13. Method of enclosing helm station at night for night passages so everytime someone flicks a light on your not blinded.

14. Lots of engine room space and well thoughout installation with belt and braces everthing and a mini workshop with proper tools and spares carrying facility.

15. now Iam fed up cus I realise there is probably only one or two boats that could be custom built that could fulfil the bill but you are going to look like mr Pilot boat or ex yachtie type thing with a blue ensign fluttering.

If anyone can direct me to a modern stylish boat that fulfils all of the above I'll buy one.

Surely with all the combined might of the top notch designers we have someone would have designed the perfect Irish sea boat by now for peeps that actually want some comfort and style and not look like MOD or plod.

I 'd like to see what peeps would offer as the ideal Irish sea boat or what you already have that you think is near perfect. As I say I know there are semi professional type boats that might do it but actually something that looks bang up todate and works.

any thoughts?

Nearest I've got so far os one of them Elling jobs but you'd have to run falt out everywhere to maintain any speed, not bothered by the single engine installation but if they just made one with more go in it could be a contender.
 
If you want to keep up a comfortable 20knots into a F5, then a 12-13m planing boat is not going to give you that 'coz it'll slam itself to pieces so you're really looking at a semi-d hulled boat but not any of that faux trawler Taiwanese rubbish either. Then if its going to take the ground its gotta have a substantial keel plus beaching legs as well which narrows it down further and modern style goes out the window here as well. We're going to have to agree to disagree about your perverse hatred of flybridges as this leaves a shortlist of none
Here's my list of boats that ticks most of your boxes

Nelson 38/42
Aquastar 38/43
Dale Nelson 38
Belliure 40
Grand Banks 36/42
Hardy 36/42

First 3 are very similar as based on Nelson hull. Will be excellent sea boats but saloons are small as hull has narrow beam. Belliure is a bit of a left field choice but reputedly has very goos seakeeping + 3 sleeping cabins and a sort of pilot house. Grand Banks will give bigger accomodation but will struggle to hit 20knots. Hardys also excellent seaboats and might offer best combination of speed and space
For me the Hardy 42 is the best compromise but has a flybridge but, hey, nobody's forcing you to go up there
 
May not be a perfect boat but a displacement catamaran ticks a lot of boxes. They will cruise at 20 knots displacement speed so are comfortable and seaworthy, fine bows will cut through short seas comfortably, long range and fuel efficient, can dry out. 2 hulls so usually 2 bogs and privacy. Can have a beam no wider than normal monos. Unfortunately there is not a lot of product in Uk at present /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif but a lot appearing in US and S Hemispere. Contenders with UK importers Privelege transcat, Fountaine pajot trawlers, Starcat/Jag (I am involved with), lagoon - There are loads more if you look further afield.
 
Thanks Mike,

I agree planing hull non starter, ok for lots of peeps who aren't bothered about getting everywhere all the time but I have time constraints and want to use a boat up here as much as possible which is a different ball park than Solenty or south coast, blows up real quick, sea is nasty half the time and forecasts are as about as much use as a chocolate fire guard.

Dale Nelson is a fine boat and would have no probs sinking money in one as they are solid money but I just can't hack all that ex pilot / plod boat look, I can see myself slipping into faux captains cap, club blazer and blue pennant malarky plus having been on one not that long ago they roll like the divel.

Hardy just too club commodore for me, I think they even call one the 'Commodore'.

I am looking for something with a bit more ummph design wise and I have to say I am starting to like the look of that Elling E4, the pilot house arrangement looks absolutely spot on, SWMBO can faff about in the big saloon below with tothers while I get on with real mans work fiddling with buttons and making vroom vroom noises. Even the Helm seat looks like one of them springy jobs. Big negative is max's out at 19 knts probably more like 17 with full fuel and stores which is a cruise of 15 tops.

Wonder how one would go about tentitively finding out what the hull could be pushed to in same vane as the old Arun class LB was designed for 18 knts but with an experimental one a few years ago with Big Cat's she topped out at 25 knts.

The search goes on.

Is Rick around, hasn't he just bought on of those Ellings?.
 
If you're really looking at rufty tufty LB type boating then take a look at Halmatic as I think they make a lot of RNLI LB's. Maybe the M120 or Enforcer models might suit Sir better?
So, to add to your perverse anti flybridge obsession, you've got a downer on pilot boats and yottie clubs now too!
 
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Is Rick around, hasn't he just bought on of those Ellings?.

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Yup - very happy with ours, but its not a speed machine. We have the 450 cummins, and can manage 13kn cruise, 16kn on a flat sea absolutely thrashing it.

I think one boat has the larger electronic Cummins QSC units, but I could be wrong. Worth talking to the yard about that though. To be honest, I suspect you'll be struggling to get that hull to do 20knots cruise - though if you throw enough power & diesel at it, it may be possible.

Rick
 
Ah well it wouldn't do to be all the same would it /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif, nothing against them particularly just not my cup of tea, for those that like that sort of thing hunky dory they all probably think I am a flash twerp zooming about in them there plastic fantastic drug runner boats!
 
There is just the job at our marina at the top end of Windermere - She's an ex IOM lifeboat, a Waveney class job ... Talk about solid, quite homely in rufty tufty sort of way but not sure if quick enough for you ... ( sorry, brain can't remember its name ..)
 
Right, I think I've found exactly what you are looking for. It pretty much ticks all of your 15 requirements including taking to the ground, no flybridge and is able to easily exceed 20kts in a force 5:

Nauticals Perfect Boat

The only thing I'm not sure about is the fendering, but you could probably add some extra. . . . . /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Don't fancy the consumption figures, do they do an IPS version?

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Sadly the hull deadrise is a touch too shallow to allow the installation of IPS drives or a bow thruster. . . . . /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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