The Med in Winter

Mmmmm that was our original plan, when we first moved from UK to Spain in 2008, to eventually end-up moving around through Croatia , onto Greece/Turkey. But, it is soooo comfortable where we are, and having to still work put me off moving. Oh well 15m to go until I retire so we shall see, are the winds as bad in Turkey in winter, as I have heard?
 
Mmmmm that was our original plan, when we first moved from UK to Spain in 2008, to eventually end-up moving around through Croatia , onto Greece/Turkey. But, it is soooo comfortable where we are, and having to still work put me off moving. Oh well 15m to go until I retire so we shall see, are the winds as bad in Turkey in winter, as I have heard?
I've been here almost 20 years and I doubt we've had a F6+ on average more than a couple of times per year. As I said I use my boat all year and I'm rarely curtailed by wind. The winds on the Turkish coast are rarely as strong as the western Aegean or the Ionian.
Did I mention that diesel is currently around €0.65 per litre.
 
Very interesting - thanks for that info, definitely food for thought for when I retire in 15 months when hopefully things have settled down, I do like Turkey.

I suppose the next question would be how safe is it to berth there, if UK flagged? Apologies to OP for any thread drift, hope you don't mind.
 
Very interesting - thanks for that info, definitely food for thought for when I retire in 15 months when hopefully things have settled down, I do like Turkey.

I suppose the next question would be how safe is it to berth there, if UK flagged? Apologies to OP for any thread drift, hope you don't mind.
I may be missing the point, but wouldn't make any difference to having your boat in SP, IT, GR, or wherever.
Further, with brexit on the doors, you wont be in EU, so things should be easier plus you could be visiting GR or CY (if you feel like) during the summer and still not burn your 90days every 180 or whatever is the rule.
I'd expect lots of UK flagged vessels would consider (at least) moving to TR soon unless they like long distance trips to Tunisia or Morocco every term!
 
I think what I am concerned with really, is not so much Brexit, that's another debate to be had, but the religious/political instability in Turkey, which I have to admit I am utterly ignorant of, and whether that might impact my berthing there.

I accept we have a boat and can move, but that is in essence what I meant when I said safe; its good to get others perspective on this (sorry again to OP, if this develops I will happily take it to a new thread if you wish.
 
I'm sure IR will confirm, but I doubt this will impact your berthing there at all. It's more an issue of making sure you'll get regular flights back and forth, than what president Erdogan is doing (mainly for local consumption)
Brexit and the x days per y days a year I think is a more important issue once you retire :)
 
Very interesting - thanks for that info, definitely food for thought for when I retire in 15 months when hopefully things have settled down, I do like Turkey.

I suppose the next question would be how safe is it to berth there, if UK flagged? Apologies to OP for any thread drift, hope you don't mind.
Safety is not an issue here. There are many British and USA flagged boats in every marina. I have never got any hint of an anti British feeling from any Turk. There would be some anti American feelings expressed from time to time but these would be anti US government sentiments and American visitors would still enjoy the same welcome and hospitality that Turks always extend to guests. The entire Aegean and Mediterranean coastal regions are tourist areas and depend greatly on tourism. The official data says we had over 50 million visitors last year including huge numbers of families with children. Numbers are well down this year because of C19 and here in Kuşadası Brits are by far in the majority because we are still on the UK Green list. All my friends involved in tourism are all saying thank God for the English (all Brits are generally referred to as English).
 
Good to know all that - thanks.

Ironically, I had some Turkish friends when I was young and was invited to meals with them, girls serving of course, not much English spoken, but they were incredibly hospitable once they got to know you. I understand a little Turkish, which whenever we visited with the kids whilst on holiday, was quite a shock to the shop owners and when eating out.....! Great fun though.
 
I think what I am concerned with really, is not so much Brexit, that's another debate to be had, but the religious/political instability in Turkey, which I have to admit I am utterly ignorant of, and whether that might impact my berthing there.

I accept we have a boat and can move, but that is in essence what I meant when I said safe; its good to get others perspective on this (sorry again to OP, if this develops I will happily take it to a new thread if you wish.
I do a lot of business in Turkey, we have an office there and until recently I have probably been there every month for 15 years or so. It is a truly fabulous country and I do not believe that you need to worry re the politics or religion etc etc. Turkey needs its tourism and it has invested heavily in it. the quality of hotels etc is second to none. Under the current party Turkey has gone from a very unstable economic environment to a much stronger place. It is my view that like most places - and I include the UK - the key political goal is power rather a religious agenda (in Turkey’s case). So you will have no issues there. It is also cheap given where the Lira is. We tried to buy a marina in Bodrum which sadly we got outbid on so I have seen quite a few marinas and they are good. The weather is excellent and the boating and cruising really good. You should look probably at Bodrum area where the weather is pretty good all year around - unusual to be less than 10 degrees in winter, or Gocek area. Some parts of that coast are windy, so avoid Cesme unless you like kite surfing or windsurfing. As IrishRover says you wont go wrong. At least in my view.
 
When the lease / treaty with China and the U.K. re HK was up in 95, the U.K. honoured it .
Treaty of Lausanne is up in 2024 ( go and google it ) .
I cant see GR or Syria + a few other remnants of the then Ottoman Empire openly handing back territory like the U.K. did with HK ??
Sure Hooligan post ^^ side skirts the issue by waxing lyrical about the people. Chinese are lovely too .

Geo politically it’s gonna be a raging mess post 2024 .
All that’s gone before will change .

Not the smartest idea to base a boat in the Med inho .
Foreign office advice to travel ? War zone , border conflicts ,internal tribalism I think you get the idea .
 
When the lease / treaty with China and the U.K. re HK was up in 95, the U.K. honoured it .
Treaty of Lausanne is up in 2024 ( go and google it ) .
I cant see GR or Syria + a few other remnants of the then Ottoman Empire openly handing back territory like the U.K. did with HK ??
Sure Hooligan post ^^ side skirts the issue by waxing lyrical about the people. Chinese are lovely too .

Geo politically it’s gonna be a raging mess post 2024 .
All that’s gone before will change .

Not the smartest idea to base a boat in the Med inho .
Foreign office advice to travel ? War zone , border conflicts ,internal tribalism I think you get the idea .
Unadulterated crap.
 
We did the same as you, retired and headded to the Med for a couple of years.
(we did it with our 33ft motor boat, went down through the French canals came back up the coast)
1) you will find a couple of years is not enough (went for 2 did 3 & half years only then coming back for family reasons)
2) to live on a boat overwinter avoid the south of France. The Alps one side and Pyranees the other act as a winter funnel the cold air falling off the mountains at night affects the whole coast.
3) for winter head for Spain anywhere south of Barcelona is fine.
4) watch out for the final BRITEXIT deal. If it goes bad you won't be able to stay in the EU for more than 90 days at a time, boat will be fine it can stay 18 months, it us that the 90 days will potentially apply to. (That would make the Med very difficult to do. You would have to head for places like Morocco or Turkey for 90 days every 90 days)
5) two years your certainly restricting yourself to western end of Med. France, Spain, Gib, west of Italy.

6) we hope to go again via Paris and the canals next summer (Covid and BRITEXIT allowing) maybe we will see you there.
 
Unadulterated crap.
Blind to folks undoing treaties ? Oh hang on look at Parliament now re EU WD agreement.
Better look at this to get a handle.
Yeh it’s gonna be really sensible to choose to base a boat there .Have not even mentioned Covid / airports etc .

Is Erdogan out to undo the Treaty of Lausanne? | Claude Salhani | AW.

Convince a newby from 2024 it’s gonna be a great place to base a boat .
The Turks are already venturing into CY waters with “ research ships “ and the FR are sabre rattling see Bouba s nice FR navy pics ^^^ .
 
Blind to folks undoing treaties ? Oh hang on look at Parliament now re EU WD agreement.
Better look at this to get a handle.
Yeh it’s gonna be really sensible to choose to base a boat there .Have not even mentioned Covid / airports etc .

Is Erdogan out to undo the Treaty of Lausanne? | Claude Salhani | AW.

Convince a newby from 2024 it’s gonna be a great place to base a boat .
The Turks are already venturing into CY waters with “ research ships “ and the FR are sabre rattling see Bouba s nice FR navy pics ^^^ .
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Porto, I'm afraid you're loosing your marbles (if that the right expression in EN)
Never heard of a treaty having an expiry date, you for real?
Erdogan doesn't like the treaty he's said that on numerous occasions, tough, unless he wants a war (he's too smart for that crap) its there, everyone got to live with it. No relation with HK, UK and CN, that's made up crap!

I'm pretty sure that other than some muscle flexing, things are going to be rather quiet in Eastern Med.
Planning a trip to Lesbos (late mom was a lesbian-a proper one as in born and brought up in the isle of Lesbos) and a visit to friends in Cesme for summer 2021, don't see anything wrong and as I said, considering BREXIT, TR is a brilliant opportunity for you guys to keep a UK flagged boat in the med.
 
Porto, I'm afraid you're loosing your marbles (if that the right expression in EN)
Never heard of a treaty having an expiry date, you for real?
Erdogan doesn't like the treaty he's said that on numerous occasions, tough, unless he wants a war (he's too smart for that crap) its there, everyone got to live with it. No relation with HK, UK and CN, that's made up crap!

I'm pretty sure that other than some muscle flexing, things are going to be rather quiet in Eastern Med.
Planning a trip to Lesbos (late mom was a lesbian-a proper one as in born and brought up in the isle of Lesbos) and a visit to friends in Cesme for summer 2021, don't see anything wrong and as I said, considering BREXIT, TR is a brilliant opportunity for you guys to keep a UK flagged boat in the med.
Nope still have my ( Elgin :)) marbles .Where are yours ....Ops moot point .
Rather than ridicule like IR ^^^ ....put fwd a credible counter argument for geopolitical stability in the TR area .
Here’s another from me , adding weight to future geopolitical instability , and weakening the TR attraction of locating a boat .

As far as international treaty’s theres a school of thought theses days even if they have no expiration date , they are up for renegotiation after 100 yrs .Buts that’s just a view , happy to agree to disagree on that folks it does not change the thrust of what I am saying .
Lawyers tend to be more eloquent, I think we can agree on that ?

Vas theres a bit more “ made up crap “ in this link .......Balkan’s and WW2 .......oh hang on theses actually happened !
So in 1994 it was safe to put a boat in Yugoslavia? In 1939 the Frisian islands off Germany ?

Just seems an odd choice now to set up boating = TR .

Erdoğan setting the stage for invalidating the Lausanne Treaty after Hagia Sophia move | Ahval.
 
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I rest my case, you can google as much as you can, there's lots of rubbish in the internet, good luck finding something credible in there.
Hope, we'll all be here safe and well to see which treaty goes down who's going to be president in which country and how many wars we'll have around us in the Med (and elsewhere)
 
Just highlighting of all the country’s in the Med rim to base a boat the geopolitical aspect of TR post 2023 needs factoring in the decision making process .
You might not agree with it ( the thrust of the links ) but it’s all about informed choice.
Flogging TR as a future boaty base for Med guys post Brexit without any mention of the alleged future geopolitics is negligent imho .

Turkey beyond 2023: A new geopolitical reality - Global Village Space

@IR and Vas feel free to post some real reassurance info for a prospective boater on the TR geopolitical situation circa 2023 and post 2024 .
Better than shooting the messenger .
 
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