The Manson Supreme Sleep

[Happydaze]

In your situation, with such a bad experience with an anchor, I would buy a new anchor, not risk my boat and ruin my peace of mind for a few hundred quid!

2nd hand CQRs are frequently for sale and are not expensive, why not buy one of them? Perhaps you could do a swap on the For Sale Forum and trade your Manson for a CQR, that wouldn't cost you anything. I reckon you would get plenty of takers.

The price i was quoted for a new CQR was E1080 plus delivery from Athens plus vat on the total so not a few hundred quid. I put adverts around locally but had no reply's and the second hand market was flooded with copies and the only genuine CQR i found was a smaller 35lb so got that for summer use when i get fed up with the Manson. They are not hand luggage items!

 

[Happydaze]

45lbs

 

[yotter]

I paid £50 for a second hand 45lb genuine CQR in excellent condition. I bought a new (to me) boat which had a 35lb delta, I thought that the CQR would be better. However, after 2 seasons cruising the west of Scotland, I am amazed how well the delta performs, so have sold the CQR to a pal for £50. That seems fair, I know they are £750 new, but times have moved on, and I reckon that the delta sets much better than the CQR.
Angus

 

[J Neeves]

Unfortunately i can't switch back to the CQR because it has gone and a new one is a ridiculous price so i am learning to live with it.

I have a genuine CQR sitting looking for a home, next time you are passing I'll give it to you! I also have a Manson Plough and a CQR copy, uncannily identical to the original, except made in Belgium.

Jonathan

 

[mainsail1]

45lbs

I think mine is 45lb but I will check next time I go to the boat if you are interested.

 

[snooks]

Just because it's trendy and expensive doesn't mean it's good, if my anchor was solid gold with jewels encrusted and a voucher to tea at Buck House I'd still be up in the early hours looking out & taking transits when the tide turned, or every half hour in a gale !

My ( genuine ) Bruce has always been faithful, but no way would I leave the boat on it and bu**er off to do some shopping or something...

Are you serious? May be the first few times using a new anchor, but now I drop it, make sure it's in and forget about it. Unless it's blowing 40+ knots. We have all chain so know if it starts to drag, which it's only done once when it was over 45 knots in somewhere that wasn't an anchorage, but it offered the best shelter from the wind.

We'll happily leave it for the whole day while we go off walking or whatever. The only problem I have with our anchor is the amount of the seabed it brings back to the surface. :0)

 

[sailorman]

I'm also v pleasedwith my Manson, which replaced a copy cqr which never held in e coast mud.
My Fortress kedge anchor is also very good.

A Genuine Bruce is brilliant for East Coast mud

 

[robmcg]

Perhaps I should look at my retired anchor collection differently. 45lb genuine CQR currently masquerading as a man trap in the garage and a 10kg genuine Bruce currently homeless! :ambivalence:

 

[Happydaze]

I have a genuine CQR sitting looking for a home, next time you are passing I'll give it to you! I also have a Manson Plough and a CQR copy, uncannily identical to the original, except made in Belgium.

Jonathan

Nice offer Jonathan, i don't think i will be down your way but thanks anyway. I have used a CQR copy or should say i have tried to use a CQR copy, they may look the same but never seem to work for me.

 

[Happydaze]

I think mine is 45lb but I will check next time I go to the boat if you are interested.

I am looking for a genuine 45lb CQR but will try and source one down here in the med because they are too big to cart around on coaches and planes but thanks for the offer.

 

[GHA]

Fantastic thread here with lots of pics.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f118/photos-of-anchors-setting-126073.html

 

[J Neeves]

Are you serious? May be the first few times using a new anchor, but now I drop it, make sure it's in and forget about it. Unless it's blowing 40+ knots. We have all chain so know if it starts to drag, which it's only done once when it was over 45 knots in somewhere that wasn't an anchorage, but it offered the best shelter from the wind.

We'll happily leave it for the whole day while we go off walking or whatever. The only problem I have with our anchor is the amount of the seabed it brings back to the surface. :0)

+1

If you have insufficient confidence to leave your vessel at anchor, under normal conditions, you do not have a reliable anchor. We would never leave the yacht unattended in 40 knots of wind, but then we would be unable to access the shore anyway - but if we can access the shore with a dinghy (and the forecast suggests we can get back aboard in safety), we go ashore, climb hills, visit the supermarket, visit the vineyard - all day if we desire, but then we have a reliable and tested anchor (and most anchorages are sheltered from 40 knot winds!)

Jonathan

 

[vyv_cox]

The other day I received a totally unsolicited but very positive recommendation for an Ultra. They look right but are so expensive that I know nobody who has one. The man who was raving about the performance of his was a Turk, where presumably the cost may be lower. He said his always sets first time in a wide variety of bottoms and has never dragged. He was an experienced cruiser, 20+ years in the Aegean, so I assume he was not talking total rubbish. When it comes to anchoring a little exaggeration seems to be normal but even allowing for that I take it as a strong vote in favour.

 

[Bru]

A Genuine Bruce is brilliant for East Coast mud

Somewhat to my surprise +1

(Although I still plan to swap it out for a new generation anchor before we head off further afield)

 

[Storyline]

+1

If you have insufficient confidence to leave your vessel at anchor, under normal conditions, you do not have a reliable anchor. We would never leave the yacht unattended in 40 knots of wind, but then we would be unable to access the shore anyway - but if we can access the shore with a dinghy (and the forecast suggests we can get back aboard in safety), we go ashore, climb hills, visit the supermarket, visit the vineyard - all day if we desire, but then we have a reliable and tested anchor (and most anchorages are sheltered from 40 knot winds!)

Jonathan

Same rule of thumb on Storyline, if it is safe to use the dinghy then we have no qualms leaving the boat at anchor for shopping/walking. Have never left her at anchor overnight though and always keep a weather eye open when ashore but that is in case it gets too windy to be comfortable using the dinghy. As jordanbasset said earlier, i cannot imagine never leaving the boat when she is anchored, it would radically change our cruising lifestyle (and we would end up very hungry & thirsty !). As long as the anchor is well set it is less stress than using a mooring or tying up to a pontoon (rigging a non chafeable strop/how do we get off in the morning). There is also something very cosy about being anchored securely when it is blowing a hooley outside.

As a side issue, have just returned from a fortnight's cruise and I have to commend the Scottish Moorings association as we visited several new spots and always the best parts of the anchorage were kept well clear of visitors moorings.

The anchor is new gen Rocna (NZ )

 

[Ru88ell]

I dumped the 'not to be trusted' 25lb (11kg) CQR and replaced it with a 6kg Rocna. What a difference; it's so much easier to handle, and it just works every time. It's incredible that such a small anchor can be so difficult to weigh, but once it breaks free it's so light. I need some more straps in it though to stop it blowing off the deck.

 

[Kelpie]

Re: leaving the boat unattended. I generally set a second anchor if going away for the day or otherwise out of sight. My tiny 4kg Manson (bought as a dinghy anchor) is useful for this, being so easy to lay. Worked well on my last boat, but I will have to think of something else as the new boat is more than twice the weight...