Bouba
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I distinguished between the laws of man and others…but how does a jet skier damage the wildlife more than a fisherman or duck hunter ?
The 'infection' has spread to here ... Jetski's
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Stemar
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rogerthebodger
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Its not just the laws to prevent the nuisance use of anything its all about the enforcement of those laws.
Playing loud music in a quire area is also annoying and need to be controlled.
As I said before is about respecting the environment of fellow people that is missing and if someone breaches the piece they need to be taken to task without fear or favor.
Playing loud music in a quire area is also annoying and need to be controlled.
As I said before is about respecting the environment of fellow people that is missing and if someone breaches the piece they need to be taken to task without fear or favor.
KevinV
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In the Scottish glens - fabulous territory for riding motorcycles too fast - the real deterrent is the plain-clothes motorcycles riding around. They have the speed and skill to safely apprehend the transgressors. Perhaps some plain-clothes jet-skis would be just the thing? That way only the guilty get punished, unlike a licensing/ tracking/ whatever system, which only impacts those who are keeping to the law already.
As with the bikes they would need to be moved around and changed regularly (word gets round), but seizures of stolen skis could make that manageable.
As with the bikes they would need to be moved around and changed regularly (word gets round), but seizures of stolen skis could make that manageable.
rogerthebodger
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I was looking for the police checking the E Bikes for modification to make then go faster that the law allows and detaining the E Bikes that do not comply.
Less easy on the water than the streets of Birmingham
Less easy on the water than the streets of Birmingham
Refueler
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There's a world out there ... if your ICC is revoked (or whatever piece of paper you hold) then you have lost your 'licence' to visit other contries ...
But anyway - the matter is Jetskis ...
It may surprise some - but UK courts CAN ban you from literally using / owning items ..... lets say you are convicted of cruelty to a dog - you can be banned from owning / looking after dogs ... even though Dog licences were stopped many years ago.
Therefore in extremis - I would expect that a person could be banned from owning / using a Jetski.
Refueler
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Its not only the killing of an animal or fish as you highlight - Fisherman / duck hunter - but the environmental disturbance / destruction that can ensue from the mindless actions of Jetskis / wave makers ...
Think about the Duck that finds a niche in the reed bed and makes good for eggs ... lays eggs .. then along comes a Jetski ...
This I can confirm as my channel / river bank is a haven for Ducks, Geese, Cormorants etc. It only takes a Jetski to visit a few times and the life for them is turned upside down.
ylop
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I don't think so - the abiity to ban for keeping animals is specifically provided for in law, I've never heard of any such law in relation to boats. There is a power to ban people from driving when they've not broken the road traffic act but used a vehicle to enable to them to commit another crime so in extreme you could ban the person who tows the ski to the water - but it wont stop a mate towing it for them, or just ignoring the ban etc.
Sea Change
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The point is you can be banned from things that do not specifically and ordinarily require permission.
You don't have to apply in advance to own an animal, but you can be banned from having one.
You don't have to ask permission to go within X distance of a person's house or workplace, or a school. But if you end up on the receiving end of a restraining order you aren't allowed to any more.
Etc.
Sea Change
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It's almost like some people never read Coot Club as a kid
Wansworth
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Why are there people who don’t drop litter,Dont play their radio loud in public who observe the law naturally avoid their boat causing undue wash.Itssomebody who is educated by their parents who cared and is open to observing the rational laws of society.We cannot choose our parents the best we can do is pass on what we were taught
Bouba
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In fact that is not true….me and me brother are completely opposite….one is law abiding the other never saw a law that he liked or obeyed…one is careful with other’s property the other is a vandal.
Breeding or upbringing doesn’t explain a Hackett for example
Wansworth
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I stand corrected!But the four children of my parents all fit my description……no accounting for colonials
toothless
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which one are you?
Bouba
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That goes without saying
Refueler
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Actually ... you can be banned for literally anything that is deemed a Public Nuisance / could cause injury or damge to persons or property etc.
This reminds of the endless arguments some years ago about boats and alcohol ... many people then and I think some still do think that you cannot be prosecuted for being drunk in charge of a boat ... that you cannot be banned for using .... Not true - you most certainly can be ....
The problem comes in enforcing it ..as HM's are not Police and have to rely on bye-laws.
Refueler
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I was a son in a well to do family ... living in a large private rural house / grounds. My father was strict ... my Mother was built of Brit Empire stock - scrupulously fair and proud ...
We lived near Crawley New Town .. and I attended a Crawley Comprehensive School. Anyone who knows Crawley can tell you that in the 60's - it was a melting pot of ex East Enders and other ethnics.
Despite my parents guidance - I was untamable - always in trouble. I was even subject of a local newspaper article - my name was not allowed to be mentioned of course .....
But I do think parents can be held accountable for some aspects of kids behaviour ... the kid in the supermarket who has to 'touch' everything .. screams when Mum won't buy that xxxxx etc.
The kids that run up and down between tables in restaurants etc ..
Plenty of examples ...
But Jetski madness I think falls into mentality bracket.
Wansworth
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Your being enigmatic…..looked it up on google
Mister E
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In Gwynedd North Wales you have to purchase a license for all jetskis and display a large sticker as proof.
I can not remember the fine for not displaying but I think the craft can be impounded.
There are penalties for using the craft so as to cause a nuisance or danger.
It is a pity that these rules are not very rigorously enforced.
I can not remember the fine for not displaying but I think the craft can be impounded.
There are penalties for using the craft so as to cause a nuisance or danger.
It is a pity that these rules are not very rigorously enforced.
Grith
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We are in South Australia and while it’s way warmer than the UK (possibly close to some UK summers in winter here) it’s far too cold for any of those down here. They are all tropical hazards!