Telly - opinions please!

Re: Findingnemo hasn\'t ever been boating, has he?

i disagreed for these reasons:

if you overlook the populist audience then you end up coming across as arrogant.

and that;

that whole series seems to me to be more about dreams coming true, rather than hardcore info.

and that;

if i watched a film about a restoration that had no disasters or panics i simply wouldn't believe it

read it back......are those acceptable reasons? or am i just disagreeing for the sake of it?

i think we should start an argument strand.....
 
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in fact if i watched a film about a restoration that had no disasters or panics i simply wouldn't believe it - what planet do you live on

[/ QUOTE ] It took me a year to restore my Heron dinghy. That had plenty of heartache. It wouldn't have made good TV. And that is the point. If the storyline doesn't fit in with the fiction that is TV, it won't get made.
You're missing the point. They only film if it's bound to throw up problems. If they think you're out of you depth they'll be in like a shot. Make a decent, rational and measured job of it and they'll be off filming "Wife-Swap Holiday Dogging Disasters 3"
 
agreed.

Hence an Oceanmaster program, very possibly in association with the RYA, choosing a boat, boat shows, ailing hols, rya school, hero to zero, lots of intersting locations, penty of human interest with people failing, tears etc.

It needs a bit of scriptwriing and a camera person i reckon....
 
You have a point. But the obvious over-playing of problems and twisting of the chronology that occurs (and I'm thinking in particular of the programme about a couple converting a chateau into a B&B in France) make me squirm. We sit there saying, constantly, "but you wouldn't do it like that", "they must be bonkers".
 
argument strand

No, not really. They are superficial arguments. I will assume for the moment that you don't understand what makes an intersting tv program, in the same way as you don't know about boats.

Boatyard fakes excitement/disaster, and altho they show dreams - they're other people's not-very-outlandish dreams and they ALWAYS come true. That's why Lakesailor fixing his boat was dull in the same way as these were dull - he/we knew that the job would get done. Cos numptie producers daren't/coldn't offer a prog where the boat falls over and smashes to bits.

In fact, some really great programs (and even atually some fairly ordinary ones) - either DO take some brainpower or actually have real interest.

Scrapyard challenge is more technical than the boat restoration program, and sometimes the things work, sometimes they just don't. We watch for the failure as much if not more than for the succes.

Even the laddish Top Gear assumes more technical knowlegde than boatyard.

Attenborough programs assume some significant thirst for detail.

And as for human interest - not much with boat restoration cos i mean, every single boat got restored! No real disasters there as far as i can see, nobody in hospital, no sinkings, nothing. It's like watching "millionaire" with fairly easy questions when every single contestant wins. That's how dull it is.

Dreams coming true isn't intersting, by the way. Much more intersting to have everyone attempting, and some winning, and some not . Hence "sport".
 
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No, not really. They are superficial arguments. I will assume for the moment that s you don't undersdtand what makes an intersting tv program, in the same way as you don't know about boats. [ QUOTE ]


assume away...that's how you seem to base you arguments, on assumption rather than fact.

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Boatyard fakes disaster, and altho they show dreams - they're other people's not-very-outlandish dreams and they ALWAYS come true.[ QUOTE ]


Did you watch the first one in the series? i'm sure the bloke who did that job would disagree with you



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And as for human interest - not much with boat restoration cos i mean, every single boat got restored! No real disasters there as far as i can see, nobody in hospital, no sinkings, nothing. It's like watching "millionaire" with fairly easy questions when every single contestant wins. That's how dull it is. [ QUOTE ]


you've contradicted yourself here, before you were complainig that there was too much human interest, now your implying there's none...

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Dreams coming true isn't intersting, by the way. Much more intersting to have everyone attempting, and some winning, and some not . Hence "sport".

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Now you just sound like a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent........
 
Re: argument strand

what a pretty pattern. Maybe we should have a 'quote pattern' thread, with marks for design /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
)*^%&^% digi box

Read all the posts about all these programmes on sailing/boating so I bought myself a 'digi-box' or whatever it is called - (bought it for the wife for Christmas actually and subsequently dropped hints as to its possible acceptability as a present and, having received somewhat negative feedback to such a proposal,kept it for myself).


Anyway, seems all the interesting i.e. boating channels are accessed via a 'top-up' card and, guess what, my digi-box or whatever the frig its called dosen't have a top-up slot!.

So anyone with any info. on terrestial progs. on our favourite subject please keep us informed.

Another thing whilst I'm here...why don't PBO have their own television station?

Now I'd top-up for that!
 
Re: argument strand

Powerful stuff - are you involved with the program, i wonder? It seems you were very closely involved in the program - has ever any satellite wallpaper tv been so assiduoulsy supported, hm? Have you ever posted anything very much on this forum that *isn't* actually about these programs, or reminders about these programs? No, you haven't.

Now- even moderately-advanced thinking is indeed based initially on assumption - and then searching for the facts to support or disprove the assumption. So far, this has proven very successful: you don't argue that you know almost nothing about boats, and don't seem to argue very strongly to show that you know how to captivate an audience.

The reason for assumptions, see, is that there aren;t any real facts. I mean, see, the "facts" as available from you bio are that you a Litigator who owns a Newlyn Lugger. But I think we can discount that you're a razor sharp debater, and we've already discounted boating knowledge, haven't we? Let's move on.

Look, about the program - if it was a great boaty program, everyone here would be riveted to it, wouldn't they? Like Top Gear for car nuts or the World Cup for footie addicts or the Ashes for cricket people - they just *have* to see them or they're nowhere.

But people here weren't very rivted to boatyard at all, despite you joining ybw and doing your very best and despite it being all about boats.

I wasn't complaining about the human interest. But it is more than a little forced in boatyard, as above.

Separatel - on a thread about tv - i suppose i'm faintly flattered to be accused of being "a cross between alan partridge and david brent". In any event, I'd be worth watching, see? Unlike boatyard (unless of course forbsie is in it , a famous forumite hereabouts)

And think about how briliant those brent/partridge programs were - one about a dull office in slough - the other about a rubbish DJ in norwich, both with cheap office/hotel sets.

Yet "Boatyard" had boats, scenery, the whole TV bit - and managed a far far less entertaining program. It can't be all fabulous the way it is, can it? That's why it's off on satellite tv, see? - Cos it's not very good. Much like your performance here - it's obvious, predictable and plodding but with the self-delusion of canny wit and quick intelligence.

Cunliffe is far and away the best part of the program, imho, and will do well., Boatyard in current form is a bit dull. Sorry.
 
Hello, Salty, and welcome.

You'll find that half the folk wot bang on about something here are crank, ignorant, rude and opinionated.

The other half are courteous, well-intentioned towards their fellow-man, and remarkably helpful.

Guess which half I belong to......

So, do enjoy - and don't take too seriously anything I or any of the other wazzocks, that waste their lives away on this site, insist on you following.
 
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