FINDINGNEMO
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Whats the general consensus of Sailing and Boating TV progs at the moment there seems to be a spate of them - what do'we think ?
Telly - opinions please!
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Well last nights real Time TV wasn't very exciting - I watched because of the threads referring to it, but after a few minutes went back to Man U getting trashed - caught the last bit where the whole project cost £20 - poor Tom Cunliffe - that's all I say - needs the money for all these new boats?
FINDINGNEMO
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yeah i watched it last night - the problem is how can you make boats exciting on TV?? although i didn't watch the game and carried on watching realtime it was good to see a salt of the earth chap giving renovation a go rather than your usual spivs... i hope mr cunliffe doesnt read this forum who wouldn;t take kindly to your harsh words
tcm
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they're a bit all over the place with the common theme being "boats" so generally that it's not really of super-interest unless you knew nothing at all about boats - in which case why watch?
So for example, the boat restioring thing with tom cunliffe is a small mobo, and old wooden yacht which really is at each end of the spectrum. Likewise one minute on Getting Afloat we're fixing up a sailing dinghy, next we're on a massive tall ship.
Sepretly - it's all a little bit dim innit? As tho since the director or scriptwrite or producer has never seen a boat so obviously, nobody knows anything. But if someoen is interested in fixing up a boat, they probably won't need explaining what cleats are for, will they? Yet that';s what "getting afloat" did tonite. Is getting afloats actially for 10-year olds?
Praps it's just cos this is early days - modern top gear doesn't explain suspension nor even udersteer any more, buit it used to be quite patronising - cos william woolard knew sod all aboat cars i suppose. But cunliffe does know whole heaps and is getting there with his programs, imho, tho goodnes me there is not much time what with him belting around the country. I want more detail, which he does do sometimes, and i wd imagine that lots of people know enough to follow "harder" stuff. The jet boat restoration was dull, really, ok so it was a boat but sppedboats like that are such a load of cosmetics that the program might as well have been about restoring an old shed - he turned on the engine and - bingo- it worked. Oh great. Next time we saw it was all running. Scrapyard challenge has more about it that that episode, really. I don't much like the fake "rushing to finish it" - or perhaps the director not only knows nowt about boats but also he normally does game shows?
I thought tom cunliffe came closest to letting rip with imploring one guy to spend a few quid for crissakesakes, and the in-detail wooden hull rebuild. I'd like to see more of him, but with him crediting his audience with a bit of brains.
So for example, the boat restioring thing with tom cunliffe is a small mobo, and old wooden yacht which really is at each end of the spectrum. Likewise one minute on Getting Afloat we're fixing up a sailing dinghy, next we're on a massive tall ship.
Sepretly - it's all a little bit dim innit? As tho since the director or scriptwrite or producer has never seen a boat so obviously, nobody knows anything. But if someoen is interested in fixing up a boat, they probably won't need explaining what cleats are for, will they? Yet that';s what "getting afloat" did tonite. Is getting afloats actially for 10-year olds?
Praps it's just cos this is early days - modern top gear doesn't explain suspension nor even udersteer any more, buit it used to be quite patronising - cos william woolard knew sod all aboat cars i suppose. But cunliffe does know whole heaps and is getting there with his programs, imho, tho goodnes me there is not much time what with him belting around the country. I want more detail, which he does do sometimes, and i wd imagine that lots of people know enough to follow "harder" stuff. The jet boat restoration was dull, really, ok so it was a boat but sppedboats like that are such a load of cosmetics that the program might as well have been about restoring an old shed - he turned on the engine and - bingo- it worked. Oh great. Next time we saw it was all running. Scrapyard challenge has more about it that that episode, really. I don't much like the fake "rushing to finish it" - or perhaps the director not only knows nowt about boats but also he normally does game shows?
I thought tom cunliffe came closest to letting rip with imploring one guy to spend a few quid for crissakesakes, and the in-detail wooden hull rebuild. I'd like to see more of him, but with him crediting his audience with a bit of brains.
FINDINGNEMO
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but surely Cunliffe wouldnt get involved in a tv series unless he thought it appealed to everyone - not just the hardcore boaties like us lot - if you overlook the populist audience then you end up coming across as arrogant, as a lot of sailing people in general do.....anyway that whole series seems to me to be more about dreams coming true, rather than hardcore info
old_salt
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Hello every one I'm a newby so I need to feel my way I've been around boats all my life pond yachts to 10,000 toners please let me in gently. Getting afloat's a repeat it is also on at 1030 every morning good practical and full of quality information. "The Boat Yard" Interesting but painful watching people smash their way though every thing with a hammer and a crow bar.
The ditch crawling prog's good if you like that sort of thing.
Old_Salt
The ditch crawling prog's good if you like that sort of thing.
Old_Salt
adrianm
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Always too much emphasis on the people and not enough on the actual boat. I was looking forward to Narrow Boat series at it was mean to be about fitting a hull out. The rushed through everything so quickly they might as well have made one episode.
tcm
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Never mind what cunliffe would or wouldn't do. I'm sure he's a charming chap. I suppose if the money is right he'll do oceanmaster practical over 26 episodes.
The issue is with thos who put the film together - of which cunliffe is but a small part.
At the moment - what exactly are those cunliffe programs about? How to restore a boat? Boat restoring against the clock? Boating is fun even if you're skint? Would you belive what a bunch of enthusiastic boat nuts there are around? Cunliffe keep nutcase boatbodgers on track?
The curent program flits betwen all these but does none of them to any degree.
I think it wd be better and more sustainable to cover a more magazine style of topics, with a more in detail restoration being an ocassional drop-in over a six week series.
I dearly hope we'll see cunliffe do boatshow program - or praps that could be part of his series.
The issue is with thos who put the film together - of which cunliffe is but a small part.
At the moment - what exactly are those cunliffe programs about? How to restore a boat? Boat restoring against the clock? Boating is fun even if you're skint? Would you belive what a bunch of enthusiastic boat nuts there are around? Cunliffe keep nutcase boatbodgers on track?
The curent program flits betwen all these but does none of them to any degree.
I think it wd be better and more sustainable to cover a more magazine style of topics, with a more in detail restoration being an ocassional drop-in over a six week series.
I dearly hope we'll see cunliffe do boatshow program - or praps that could be part of his series.
FINDINGNEMO
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actually i don't think he would do ocean master practical over 26 episodes and that's the diff between him and other boating experts he's not out for a buck, he's trying to make an interseting prog that appeals to everyone, whether your a sailor, a dancer, a zookeeper or a hairdresser, they will all find something intersting about him and what he has to say....boats, life, booze or whatever, no main stream audience is going to listen to him rambling on about ropes ad nausiam...
FINDINGNEMO
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tcm may i ask - what d'you do for a living?
Lakesailor
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I agree with you on many points. Of course the major one is [ QUOTE ]
I don't much like the fake "rushing to finish it" - or perhaps the director not only knows nowt about boats but also he normally does game shows?
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All the rebuild-a-house/start-a-business/sell-your-family-silver/etc/etc shows run to the same format. It all the Tristrams (sic; A A Gill) know and it's all they commission. So a real show about a real restoration done with a timeline and no panics or disasters simply won't get made.
Shame but there you are. Viewing figures are God and thay won't stray out of the box because one turkey and there's a row of Tristrams waiting to jump on your grave.
I don't much like the fake "rushing to finish it" - or perhaps the director not only knows nowt about boats but also he normally does game shows?
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All the rebuild-a-house/start-a-business/sell-your-family-silver/etc/etc shows run to the same format. It all the Tristrams (sic; A A Gill) know and it's all they commission. So a real show about a real restoration done with a timeline and no panics or disasters simply won't get made.
Shame but there you are. Viewing figures are God and thay won't stray out of the box because one turkey and there's a row of Tristrams waiting to jump on your grave.
FINDINGNEMO
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sadly a real boat restoration could never be filmed, it took me 2 years to complete mine, no ones going to hang around for that long....and there were plenty of disasters - in fact if i watched a film about a restoration that had no disasters or panics i simply wouldn't believe it - what planet do you live on....anyway so far in this series - they've all been a complete success, so what are you going on about....people like to watch struggle, passion, heart ache and ambition not an educational series about how to do it right you can read a book for that...
tcm
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oceanmaster in 26 episodes
Oceanmaster over 26 episodes is a bit more horizontally interesting cos i mean nearly everyone with a boat or thinking of getting a boat sort of MUST watch. Not so with boatyard, tho.
I didn't mean he's only out for a buck and i know he'd make it intresting cos there's be loads of room to go on loads of boats, boatyards, colleges, courses, lots of crusing areas, the whole bit. He could chaperone a few people through it all, so getting to know them and so on.
Whereas with fixing that boat you're stuck with that damned boat which as the program shows is of limited interest cos it always returns to the same boring bloke plodding through the bodgeup.
Not many if any buy unsurveyed wooden boats, or run a scrapyard and fix up ratheaps for £50. It's of passing interest.
Don't get all precious: you asked, i toldyer. He wrote a book about yachtmastering didn't he? Not boatbodging. So it's you being numptified about content, not me, not him.
rope clamps? admit it - you've never been on a boat have you?
Oceanmaster over 26 episodes is a bit more horizontally interesting cos i mean nearly everyone with a boat or thinking of getting a boat sort of MUST watch. Not so with boatyard, tho.
I didn't mean he's only out for a buck and i know he'd make it intresting cos there's be loads of room to go on loads of boats, boatyards, colleges, courses, lots of crusing areas, the whole bit. He could chaperone a few people through it all, so getting to know them and so on.
Whereas with fixing that boat you're stuck with that damned boat which as the program shows is of limited interest cos it always returns to the same boring bloke plodding through the bodgeup.
Not many if any buy unsurveyed wooden boats, or run a scrapyard and fix up ratheaps for £50. It's of passing interest.
Don't get all precious: you asked, i toldyer. He wrote a book about yachtmastering didn't he? Not boatbodging. So it's you being numptified about content, not me, not him.
rope clamps? admit it - you've never been on a boat have you?
FINDINGNEMO
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Re: oceanmaster in 26 episodes
what are rope clamps??? naaah your not making any sense now.......and precious is a maybe the pot and the kettle doing the name game thing...but like your passion - just a bit misdirected - anyway there are loads of other saiing progs out there - d'you watch the sailing channel?
what are rope clamps??? naaah your not making any sense now.......and precious is a maybe the pot and the kettle doing the name game thing...but like your passion - just a bit misdirected - anyway there are loads of other saiing progs out there - d'you watch the sailing channel?
tcm
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Findingnemo hasn\'t ever been boating, has he?
Call me all the names you like - but you've been rumbled, I'm afraid.
You asked about the program, i answered. You imediately argued with my point of view - which begs the question - why did you ask?
You then made a remark about "rope clamps" which can't really be described as marine/boating gear. This shows how little you know about boats and boating.
Oceanmaster in 26 episodes is pushing it. But it would be a far better platform for non-dumbed down boating program fronted by cunliffe who is an acknowldged master of that. It would be easier for it to be a better program for that reason, and because it could range acros diferent locations, different groups.
Ask cunliffe about it.
Call me all the names you like - but you've been rumbled, I'm afraid.
You asked about the program, i answered. You imediately argued with my point of view - which begs the question - why did you ask?
You then made a remark about "rope clamps" which can't really be described as marine/boating gear. This shows how little you know about boats and boating.
Oceanmaster in 26 episodes is pushing it. But it would be a far better platform for non-dumbed down boating program fronted by cunliffe who is an acknowldged master of that. It would be easier for it to be a better program for that reason, and because it could range acros diferent locations, different groups.
Ask cunliffe about it.
tcm
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jstr
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OK guys - let's go back to the start of the thread - what do we think?
Well from the posts, we all want more TV that relates to us - I do for sure - how do we tell Tom Cunliffe then, and really Tom, if you are reading, how do you expect us who read you in the IPC mags expect us to take you seriously when you do a prog like last night's???
Please get on here and explain - We need to know
Well from the posts, we all want more TV that relates to us - I do for sure - how do we tell Tom Cunliffe then, and really Tom, if you are reading, how do you expect us who read you in the IPC mags expect us to take you seriously when you do a prog like last night's???
Please get on here and explain - We need to know
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jstr
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Sorry for the multiple "expects" - it's late - I'll be back in the morninggggggg
FINDINGNEMO
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Re: Findingnemo hasn\'t ever been boating, has he?
re:tcm
i sense that you don't like yor opinion being counter challenged, i don't agree with your point of view, so what - do i have to??? i asked the question because I'm interested in the general opinion of sailing on tv, which i happen to think in the past has been very boring, - it's got nothing to do with what i know about boats, i'm not pretending to know loads about boats - i think your the one that's getting personal - in terms of being rumbled - for what exactly?? not knowing enough about boats....who cares.....that's not what i started the post for...
re:tcm
i sense that you don't like yor opinion being counter challenged, i don't agree with your point of view, so what - do i have to??? i asked the question because I'm interested in the general opinion of sailing on tv, which i happen to think in the past has been very boring, - it's got nothing to do with what i know about boats, i'm not pretending to know loads about boats - i think your the one that's getting personal - in terms of being rumbled - for what exactly?? not knowing enough about boats....who cares.....that's not what i started the post for...
tcm
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Re: Findingnemo hasn\'t ever been boating, has he?
i'm fine about my opinion being challenged. I didn't challenge yours - you aked for mine. You seem to have no counter challenge just "don't agree."
You'll find that most people are a teensy bit resistant if first of all you ask for their opinion merely out of interest - and then immediately challenge that opinion, and at the same time let slip that although you disagree - you know nothing if anything about the subject!
sepretly this post shouldn't be on R2R but could be on sbutt.
i'm fine about my opinion being challenged. I didn't challenge yours - you aked for mine. You seem to have no counter challenge just "don't agree."
You'll find that most people are a teensy bit resistant if first of all you ask for their opinion merely out of interest - and then immediately challenge that opinion, and at the same time let slip that although you disagree - you know nothing if anything about the subject!
sepretly this post shouldn't be on R2R but could be on sbutt.
