Tayana, moody, HR, Oyster, Northwind for next boat?

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Hi all,

Just after people's opinions regarding a possible change of boat for us in the near future. Currently have a 41ft AWB (2004 year) which we have owned for 4 years and sailed many miles in her, including offshore etc.

Anyway, we are thinking of going for something bigger and more "blue water" and reckon we could spend up to 175K euro (or equivalent - could go to 200k but not ideal) so know we will likely be looking at an older boat than what we have now.

Plan is for circumnavigation.

Criteria for next boat are safety, centre cockpit, storage, tankage, decent aft cabin and usability for 2 people as we sail as a couple all the time.

Current thoughts and shortlist are:
Oyster 45 (upper end of budget)
Tayana 48 (can be bought under budget)
Moody 44 (well under budget) but is it enough of a size leap from our current 41 ft AWB?
Moody 46/47 (upper end of budget)
Northwind 47 (well under budget)
A Hallberg Rassy in the size range 45 to 50 ft is a possibility.

I understand that whatever we went for we would likely have to spend money on upgrading nav system etc (as our current boat has brand new Raymarine Axiom Pro MFD and Doppler radar etc, as well as loads of solar and wind etc)

Cheers in advance

DTD
 
You don’t say your location (gran canaria?) but will the location of vessels influence your choice ? I also wonder if level of existing kit might be a consideration ie it not just a choice between x and y brands but what kit is on board,engine and sails,rigging etc ? Surely you might choose a make if it’s had a makeover even if forumites consider it might have a downside . It also might be a decision influenced by heart as much as head ? Have you looked at list of ARC boats ?
 
Any of those will do the job so it all depends on condition and what grabs you. slight reservation, the Taiwanese boars are generally cheaper for a reason and most are uS orientated so tend to have equipment that is less easy to find sources for parts - plus you need to look behind the impressive teak facade.

Agree that factors like rax status, location and future plans may influence your decision.
 
davethedog said:
Hi all,

Just after people's opinions regarding a possible change of boat for us in the near future. Currently have a 41ft AWB (2004 year) which we have owned for 4 years and sailed many miles in her, including offshore etc.

Anyway, we are thinking of going for something bigger and more "blue water" and reckon we could spend up to 175K euro (or equivalent - could go to 200k but not ideal) so know we will likely be looking at an older boat than what we have now.

Plan is for circumnavigation.

Criteria for next boat are safety, centre cockpit, storage, tankage, decent aft cabin and usability for 2 people as we sail as a couple all the time.

Current thoughts and shortlist are:
Oyster 45 (upper end of budget)
Tayana 48 (can be bought under budget)
Moody 44 (well under budget) but is it enough of a size leap from our current 41 ft AWB?
Moody 46/47 (upper end of budget)
Northwind 47 (well under budget)
A Hallberg Rassy in the size range 45 to 50 ft is a possibility.

I understand that whatever we went for we would likely have to spend money on upgrading nav system etc (as our current boat has brand new Raymarine Axiom Pro MFD and Doppler radar etc, as well as loads of solar and wind etc)

Cheers in advance

DTD
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Might also be worth looking at Hylas and Stevens 47.
 
Yes thanks so far and we are currently here in gran canaria but we are willing to look anywhere for the right next boat. Aware that whatever we decide we WILL have to spend money on, as always the case.

The boat we currneky have is fine but we want something bigger and an opportunity to get something more blue water orientated.

No rush at all just in the planning stages at present.
 
davethedog said:
Yes thanks so far and we are currently here in gran canaria but we are willing to look anywhere for the right next boat. Aware that whatever we decide we WILL have to spend money on, as always the case.

The boat we currneky have is fine but we want something bigger and an opportunity to get something more blue water orientated.

No rush at all just in the planning stages at present.
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The Oyster will need a new deck. Otherwise it would be my choice. I've done the same exercise at the same budget just for fun a couple of times in the last few years in preparation eventual retirement.
 
An HR43 might have less room than a hunter41 though? I was speaking this summer to an older oyster owner who was planning to replace his teak deck with a Flexiteak version and was quite interested in ours,I believe he had a quote of£10k for the job . I can see the attraction of an Oyster if taking part in the rally appeals. Do you have examples of any choices? Even though I am a moody owner we are Uk centric so would always I guess look more favourably on Uk boats but many US boats such as a Hinckley look lovely.
 
many of these boats will have in-mast furling

If you are not already familiar with in-mast furling.., make sure that you will be happy with it.

In addition, these are mostly pretty heavy boats and while they may be better built than your AWB, they might also not have the performance you expect - especially with the additional compromise of in-mast furling.
 
Having a Hunter I suspect DTD is well versed in challenges of in mast reefing -I suspect a topic which is like Marmite though -I wonder if in boom reefing is possible for any of the choices listed? It can however be quite slow to rotate boom maybe?
 
Laser_310 said:
many of these boats will have in-mast furling

If you are not already familiar with in-mast furling.., make sure that you will be happy with it.

In addition, these are mostly pretty heavy boats and while they may be better built than your AWB, they might also not have the performance you expect - especially with the additional compromise of in-mast furling.
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In a Bluewater boat heavy doesn't have to mean slow. If you choose a good 47 ft Bluewater boat with huge tankage, huge storage space and tall powerful rig then load it up with all your desired kit. Do the same with a lightweight modern production boat and chances are there will be no speed advantage in the lightweight modern version. Our 44ft Trintella is such a boat. We are a ketch but even so our mast is taller than a Ben 473. Our boom is slightly shorter but we share the same size mainsail. In addition we have the mizzen sail area. In light winds we often sail past racier modern boats loaded up as liveaboards. The hull shape allows tankage under the floors not under bunks. She doesn't slam. These are the attributes of a Bluewater boat.
 
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In a Bluewater boat heavy doesn't have to mean slow. If you choose a good 47 ft Bluewater boat with huge tankage, huge storage space and tall powerful rig then load it up with all your desired kit. Do the same with a lightweight modern production boat and chances are the will be no speed advantage in the lightweight modern version. Our 44ft Trintella is such a boat. We are a ketch but even so our mast is taller than a Ben 473. Our boom is slightly shorter but we share the same size mainsail. In addition we have the mizzen sail area. In light winds we often sail past racier modern boats loaded up as liveaboards. The hull shape allows tankage under the floors not under bunks. She doesn't slam. These are the attributes of a Bluewater boat.
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I have done quite a few miles cruising an oyster 485.., as well as an ARC on that boat.., so i'm somewhat familiar with the concept of these boats.

Although i found the 485 pretty tank-like, it did get up to a respectable hull speed on the ocean, and certainly felt like a safe blue water boat. It was very comfortable to live aboard.

Where it suffered was that it just wasn't a fun or rewarding boat to sail or to helm. In under, say, 10kts of wind on sheeting in the main i would wonder: "okay, when are we going to start moving?"

Other issues were that the upwind angles were not great, and the boat had a rolly motion at sea
 
Yes, more than aware of the pros and cons of in mast furling and the fact you can not, no matter what anyone says, get as good sail shape as slab reefing (had 2 boats with slab reefing and 2 with in mast so have some experience of both systems).

Lots to think about and our Legend 41 is quick and lots of space BUT next boat we want to have a more protected rudder, more tankage etc.

To be honest the present boat we have would do it but thinking we want more space for a circumnavigation, as well as a cutter rig (have sloop at present) for better sail options etc
 
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I have done quite a few miles cruising an oyster 485.., as well as an ARC on that boat.., so i'm somewhat familiar with the concept of these boats.

Although i found the 485 pretty tank-like, it did get up to a respectable hull speed on the ocean, and certainly felt like a safe blue water boat. It was very comfortable to live aboard.

Where it suffered was that it just wasn't a fun or rewarding boat to sail or to helm. In under, say, 10kts of wind on sheeting in the main i would wonder: "okay, when are we going to start moving?"

Other issues were that the upwind angles were not great, and the boat had a rolly motion at sea
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I have no experience of sailing an Oyster but I would have thought it would depends on the point of sail in 10kts. Down wind you are in Spinnaker territory. Upwind you should have good boat speed with a decent apparent.
If you want no rolling down wind you can't beat a cat. If you want to go up wind you can't beat a monohull. We have had both.
 
Buck Turgidson said:
Not all the boats you list are cutter rigged!
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Cutter rig is interesting. Dead down wind it doesn't work well as the Yankee is too small. A Solent rig with twin poles is a better set up. The cutter rig needs another down wind sail solution. If you are sailing across the Atlantic on a East to West passage you have to deal with squalls at night. A twin furler twin pole set up has many advantages. A single person on watch can easily reef in the head sails to reduce canvas. No dramatics.
 
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