TAMD 41A black smoke and low revs

RobV

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Hi all,
Hoping I can get some advice or previous experiences from members.

History:
Sold my Rodman last year and purchased a 1989 Arcoa 10.80 with twin TAMD 41A in December.
Had it surveyed a no major issues and it ran well during the sea trial.
There was a slight bit more grey smoke from the starboard engine, but all in I went for it.

Lockdown:
Spent the last few months of lockdown tidying things up, mainly cosmetic and electronics.
Engine wise I've not done huge amounts but I did pull and clean the aftercoolers and also replaced the crankcase breather filters with the 3D Custom Parts crankcase upgrade kit.

Back in the water:
Got back in yesterday. By co-incidence one of the mechanics from the yard was there so came with me for the boats first run. All started fine, smoke from both engines as I believe is normal. Once we got going and things warmed up we increased the throttles, I was on deck ensuring everything looked and sounded OK. From low revs there was distinct black smoke coming from the starboard engine, any smoke from the port cleared quickly. He slowly increased throttles and the black smoke increased and didn't clear, it wasn't huge amounts but was very noticeable. At about 80% throttle we heard a whirring/popping sound, best way I can describe it was like the recirculating dump valve I had on my Mitsubishi Evo. We stopped immediately and checked everything, all visually at least was fine, no sign of any leaks, hoses off etc. After that the starboard engine would idle fine and accelerate fine but not go beyond 80% throttle and the black smoke stayed, port engine ran fine. All gauges were reading similar for both engines.
Mechanic had no tools so couldn't check the boost, but after removing the air filter was happy the turbo seemed OK - was spinning, no excessive play or oil leaks. Had a check of the injectors, cracked each open slightly when idling, for all bar one there was a noticeable change in engine tone when it was opened so suspects maybe an injector issue.
So intend to pull the injectors and have them checked. If that doesn't show anything he suggested focusing on the turbo next.

Any other views on likely culprits or past experiences.
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
All explained in here .
Sounds like an injector in this case after your testing .Hope it’s not damaged by hosing the piston or rings .


6.44 is the failing injector bit .


Plenty of Ostriches on here - :) not you btw
 
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Sounds like the turbo was stuck then freed up.

check the exhaust side....might have lost or damaged a few vanes.

injector check sounds good idea too.

Did you replace the seals on the aftercooler? All seated properly? You can loose boost there quite easily
 
Hi all,
Hoping I can get some advice or previous experiences from members.

History:
Sold my Rodman last year and purchased a 1989 Arcoa 10.80 with twin TAMD 41A in December.
Had it surveyed a no major issues and it ran well during the sea trial.
There was a slight bit more grey smoke from the starboard engine, but all in I went for it.

Lockdown:
Spent the last few months of lockdown tidying things up, mainly cosmetic and electronics.
Engine wise I've not done huge amounts but I did pull and clean the aftercoolers and also replaced the crankcase breather filters with the 3D Custom Parts crankcase upgrade kit.

Back in the water:
Got back in yesterday. By co-incidence one of the mechanics from the yard was there so came with me for the boats first run. All started fine, smoke from both engines as I believe is normal. Once we got going and things warmed up we increased the throttles, I was on deck ensuring everything looked and sounded OK. From low revs there was distinct black smoke coming from the starboard engine, any smoke from the port cleared quickly. He slowly increased throttles and the black smoke increased and didn't clear, it wasn't huge amounts but was very noticeable. At about 80% throttle we heard a whirring/popping sound, best way I can describe it was like the recirculating dump valve I had on my Mitsubishi Evo. We stopped immediately and checked everything, all visually at least was fine, no sign of any leaks, hoses off etc. After that the starboard engine would idle fine and accelerate fine but not go beyond 80% throttle and the black smoke stayed, port engine ran fine. All gauges were reading similar for both engines.
Mechanic had no tools so couldn't check the boost, but after removing the air filter was happy the turbo seemed OK - was spinning, no excessive play or oil leaks. Had a check of the injectors, cracked each open slightly when idling, for all bar one there was a noticeable change in engine tone when it was opened so suspects maybe an injector issue.
So intend to pull the injectors and have them checked. If that doesn't show anything he suggested focusing on the turbo next.

Any other views on likely culprits or past experiences.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Turbo Dump valve not seating so losing boost. Does the boost pressure match the other engine.
 
Cheers for the replies.
As an update pulled the injectors and had them tested today. All perfect.
So back tomorrow to investigate further. Will check the aftercooler again and do a compression test.
 
I think Dump Valves are only in petrol turbo engines. In case you also included waste gate valves, none in KAD engines.

If the KAD does not have a dump/waste gate type valve then I would pay attention to other places where the airflow may be restricted or leaking away.
 
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Thanks for the replies. Further investigation revealed the exhaust side of the turbo failed. It was very coked up and the blades were destroyed. I can only assume it had sized up during lay up and something broke when it freed up. Or a piece of the build up which was very hard came loose. Either way new turbo on the way and must check the other engine. Resizer_16189579096501.jpgResizer_16189579096500.jpg
 
I have seen worse on the air end When the compressor sucked in 3 induced blades com,the compressor disk.(600mm dia)

I think you will notice a difference once the exhaust gasses can do what they need to..
Happy boating.
 
Question left open with such brevity is what ?
The whole engine , VP thing?
Or only the turbo ......which is bad enough?

Suspect each on here can make there own reasoned interpretation and keep the answer to themselves.
 
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