sworn at by rowers

LittleSister said:
The Bye-Laws for the Ouse make for entertaining reading.

1) It is forbidden to throw animals into the river.
2) You're allowed to be in charge of a vessel while under the influence of drugs, so long as you are not so intoxicated as to be unable to exercise proper control of your vessel.
3) A vessel meeting, overtaking or being overtaken by another should give way to it if it has deeper draught. (Looks like Dylan had right of way over the rowers!)
4) I couldn't find any regulation forbidding smiling!

P.S. What's a 'shallop' (type of vessel)?
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A shallop;
heres yer link-basically a small viking longship type of shallow draft sailing/rowing boat- East coaster jobby-and Normandy and the Baltic still.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=shallop+boat&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc

read also the "Black Arrow' by R L Stevenson; the Shipman had a shallop- that was the larger version, two masted, maybe the proto ancestor of the collier brig of Cook and the East Coast coal trade.
 
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You get dickeads every where.

I think if I sailed through a set race course or an area set aside for wowing the wowers would have jist cause to be upset.
Well bwaught up wowers would admonish me politly but fiwmly and point it the ewow of my ways.

Sweawing at other vessels would bwing diswepute upon the club and would not be tollewated in the bettew class of clubs.:D

If a boat under oars is out on the water I was under the impresion they are regarded under the collregs as equal to sailing vessels.
While I find it easy to tell if which one is to windward determinig which tack they are on is a trifle more complicated.:o
 
Once while paddling a cheap rental sea kayak on the Potomac in Washington, DC, I heard a yell, "Heads up, sea kayaker!" I barely had time to whip out my camera as four 8-man shells whizzed by. One passed on port and the other three on starboard. They didn't swear at me, and I rather enjoyed being in the middle of the action. I'll leave the question of who had the right of way to the colregs experts.
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Uricanejack said:
You get dickeads every where.

I think if I sailed through a set race course or an area set aside for wowing the wowers would have jist cause to be upset.
Well bwaught up wowers would admonish me politly but fiwmly and point it the ewow of my ways.

Sweawing at other vessels would bwing diswepute upon the club and would not be tollewated in the bettew class of clubs.:D

If a boat under oars is out on the water I was under the impresion they are regarded under the collregs as equal to sailing vessels.
While I find it easy to tell if which one is to windward determinig which tack they are on is a trifle more complicated.:o
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Yeah, that Katherine Copeland is a right posh bitch; just listen to her!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/aug/04/hosking-copeland-rowing-gold-video
 
Reminds me of a time racing my cat on lochness , after being left by the fleet on the wrong shore as wind filled in , a less than polite fisherman trolled his way near and suggested I let him carry on , I in my deep depression and loathing of being told where to go , when in right of way ,I less than subtly let him know my opinion on his requests and readied for borders , fortunately the wind reached me before the bare knuckled fighting ensued .

Twas only on returning home I thought it may be of interest to find out why said fisherman had become so irate , only to find such things as by laws that give fisherman rowing on loch ness right of way , quiet a shock to a briney boy !!!
 
LittleSister said:
On the other hand, a rowing boat is not a powered vessel is the consensus among those who have actually read the ColRegs and asked for ocnfirmation by the RYA. The Committee that wrote the ColRegs also thought likewise, which is why they required different lights for vessels under oars than powered vessels.:rolleyes:

I've no idea what the rules are on the river in York - local regs, perhaps? Not that there's any clear relationship between people's insistence on them being in the right and knowledge of the relevant rules, as a quick spin on the M25 will soon


demonstrate!
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Not appropriate to reopen the collregs debate. However, statement above by Littlesister is disingenuous to those qualified and experienced Master Mariners who do not agree. The RYA position is only a view, not an authoratative statement. The nav lights issue is a red herring. Best agree to disagree until the IMO sorts it out.
 
LittleSister said:
On the other hand, a rowing boat is not a powered vessel is the consensus among those who have actually read the ColRegs and asked for ocnfirmation by the RYA. The Committee that wrote the ColRegs also thought likewise, which is why they required different lights for vessels under oars than powered vessels.:rolleyes:

I've no idea what the rules are on the river in York - local regs, perhaps? Not that there's any clear relationship between people's insistence on them being in the right and knowledge of the relevant rules, as a quick spin on the M25 will soon demonstrate!
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Utter rubbish. An oar gives mechanical advantage and the boat, by definition, is mechanically propelled.
 
To come back on topic a little. I was sworn at by some dinghy sailors racing in the Solent on a very windy day. It shocked me a little as I did not think sailors acted like that. I never did when racing a dinghy. They felt that racing made them the top dog whatever the situation. Nothing I could do to get out of the way as there were fifteen or twenty boats coming from everywhere. However, I am afraid I had great delight when they capsized shortly afterwards!
 
Years ago whilst going about our business as a dirty british coaster we where verbally abused by awfully posh people who shouted "we are racing".I replied that we where working!
 
chinita said:
Yeah, that Katherine Copeland is a right posh bitch; just listen to her!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/aug/04/hosking-copeland-rowing-gold-video
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Rowing is a remarkably cheap sport. When I was keen (about 20 years ago now. Where's it all gone?!), club subs were £120 a year, which got use of boats (every weekend and weeknights in summer) and the (very basic) gym 4 nights a week in winter. I see that it's now £500 per year - so £10 a week.

Back then, regattas cost about £5 per person per event.

It is time intensive though. We were training 20 hours a week through the year. My life was work, rowing, eating (lots!) and sleep. And that's for club rowing. Total time spent racing through the year totalled probably a few hours?
 
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Rudeness is never necessary or acceptable... But as said above, you get all kinds. And that includes both the rowers, and some other river users who don't look where they are going, or have any consideration for others. Rowers are in a tiny, fragile boat, and it only takes a few previous encounters with idiots to leave you with a certain paranoia. The cox is in the position where the rest of the crew are entirely trusting them to keep everyone safe. In that position, coxes can start to be overprotective. With the slow response of a boat with limited maneouvrability you get worried about anybody coming close quite early.

Still no excuse for swearing, but hey, if it was a game of football you'd disturbed, he'd have tried to bite your arm off.
 
A rowing eight (or six or whatever it was) approached us when we were at anchor in Brittany. Expecting to be told I was in the way and to get to hell out of it (not an uncommon occurrence with our boat :o), I was relieved when the coxswain politely asked to borrow a screwdriver.
 
mogy said:
nasty to those they percive as not being in their class
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I get this attitude at least once a month ...... it just must be Moi! .... :(





nigelmercier said:
It's times like this that it's good that we are not allowed to carry guns.
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I have to agree with you on this one .... I've come to the same conclusion many times ..... because if we were I'd either be shot by now or in deep doo-doo.

 
Keen_Ed said:
Rowing is a remarkably cheap sport. When I was keen (about 20 years ago now. Where's it all gone?!), club subs were £120 a year, which got use of boats (every weekend and weeknights in summer) and the (very basic) gym 4 nights a week in winter. I see that it's now £500 per year - so £10 a week.

Back then, regattas cost about £5 per person per event.

It is time intensive though. We were training 20 hours a week through the year. My life was work, rowing, eating (lots!) and sleep. And that's for club rowing. Total time spent racing through the year totalled probably a few hours?
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I rowed at University, in the early 70s. Rowing was a very egalitarian sport then; I can't recall ANY evidence of it being dominated by Hooray Henries (who are a tiny minority even in ancient Universities). Top boats were extremely competitive; basically anyone who wasn't willing to submit to a pretty gruelling physical regime wasn't going to be successful. But the real problem is as Keen_Ed says; if you're going to be any good, it dominates your life. It isn't a sport you can fit in between other things, either - you have to be there at the same time as the rest of your crew, and that means eight other people if you're in an eight. Crews operate as a team; you can't simply say OK, I'll go out with Boat A today and Boat B tomorrow - if you're in the crew of Boat A, then Boat A is the one you go out with, so the crew learns to operate as a unit.

All this is doable if you're in an institution like a school or University, and the structure of your day is shared with all the other members of the crew. But getting people together who have different patterns of daily life is difficult, which is why rowing tends to be dominated by school and university based teams.
 
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