Sunseeker or Princess

For the OP -the P46 can suffer gel coat issues around the radar arch outside sides - and helm console, this is not evident in the pics online .
Hi low platform - the engineering is all stuffed inside/ under the aft sunpad - looks like a bit "chocolate tea pot " ish ? .Have a look when you view.
Its a beamy therefore extra heavy boat for the 480 Volvos or 440 Yanmars 49 ft all in -So its a slug cruise @ 22-24 knots @ 2000 -2100rpm -with a seasons slime .
As you can probably tell I have considered a change up to P46 but -dismissed it .
Have a look @ pershing 43 with a pair of Man 630 -6 cylinders ( 1400 L tankage ) + hard top + same lay out ,but no hi low platform ,but a paserelle -crane .Its lighter so 630 hp should shift it around 30 knt cruise -which is where I suspect you want to be if you are "sports boating it " from mainland to the islands?
Left of field Itams 46 -with twin Man 800,s -but 16 L V8,s (2400 L tankage )-this is a 3 cabin 3- heads -inc crew .

I,am in the same predicament -looking out for a fast sports up to 50 ft less than 4,5 m beam

Others Uniess 42 -cumnins 450,s - and Riviera 4000 - Volvo 75,s 480,s but a lot lighter than the P46 , but better sea keeping hulls ? both cruise high 20,s - not low like the P46

good luck
 
That is productive review Portofino, are you Italian, or you became addicted in SoF. :)

Anyways in the Uniesse category I would put the Caymen 43 WA, two heads nice deep hull. Also remember the Uniesse 48 which is an over build monster and much more sea-worthy then the 42.

Pershing 43 is actually heavier then Sunseeker 46 Portofino, 16 tons loaded versus the 15 of the 46.
The Pershing 43 was planned to be a more economic boat with twin Volvo 480hp but it did not move much with those engines, 30 knots in light factory mode after a few change props and small Pershing rudders ;) so Pershing scrub it at the moment.

Cayman 43 WA of an Italian friend in Force 6 seas past June after launch.
The Cayman weighs 15 tons, and Uniesse should be a bit less. Uniesse is standard with a single head but you find a couple with twin, though these keep the price a bit more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yGdK0E3CcA

Itama is another beast compared to the boats listed here, pure deep V 22 degrees dead-rise hull aft. Anyways if I could afford it, I would buy it without even thinking twice....
 
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That is productive review Portofino, are you Italian, or you became addicted in SoF.

Nope - and yes - 9 years here in the SoF and I think I ,ve got the jist of who really designs/ builds the best boats and it's not our " big three" .
Yup Itama I,ll prob end up with a Forty 2006 onwards ( man 450's ) or a older 46 -these also come with Arneson and MTU 762 or Man 800
What's your thoughts on an Arneson Itama 46 with man 800's ?

Sorry for the thead drift -Op
 
It's faster but speaking with Mario Amati at the 1995 Genoa boat show he told me that he would never go for one himself for those 5 knots more.

The 46/50 also uses the extended shaft if I remember well 10 or 11 degrees only of shaft angle with the extended rudders.
I would always go for a shaft driven Itama, if I want surface drives I prefer a Magnum 53 or a cheaper Baia 54 Aqua.
Please also note that without taking nothing away from Ferretti Group Itamas, the previous Amati (till 2004) are more over build machines, though in appearance FG models look some-what nicer and flashier.
If you want to find similar craftsmanship to latest Itama you can also look for XL Marine, its what most of the people who where working with Amati have been building since 2006.
They make a nice 43, now a new 45, and a 51, with projects for a 58 and 65 still waiting an owner.

If you can afford the fuel of the 46/50 I would definitely go for one. An in between model you should consider between the new forty is also the 42 / 48.
To be honest if I was in that budget I would prefer the 42/48 (48 is much more desirable for its rounded wind screen)
it has a saloon and galley a bit more spacious to the 46/50, and the aft cabin has two twin berths instead of the bunks (aft) and cross (L-shaped of the guest cabin to starboard) of the 46/50.
Problem is I think only 18 where made 42/48s so they are a bit hard to find. Though at the moment there is a couple for sale in Italy.

Again sorry for the thread drift to the OP
 
Thanks for all the advice, it has narrowed the search down to a V50 or a targa 52. Out of the 2 I think a targa 52 is the one I'd really want, as the princess tender storage looks a real faff about. The main issues I've got with the Targa is finding one at a decent price, and secondly the shear size of it. It is quite a daunting task to me to berth a mobo that big after coming from a yacht, that is a similar size but totally different set up helm and handling wise. I would have some boat handling training so I think that would overcome that problem.
Once again thanks for all your help and advice, and I will post some pics when we've found and purchased our boat.
 
don't worry about parking a twin engined motorboat that big. The bigger they are the easier it usually is. If you can moor a single engined sailing boat stern to, you will find it quite straightforward.
 
I have followed this thread with interest and I must say it really has put me off buying a Portofino 46 now, as much as I still like them I am worried I would never be able to re sell one unless I could really steal one at rock bottom money I will now be looking at other makes and models
 
lanerboy said:
I have followed this thread with interest and I must say it really has put me off buying a Portofino 46 now, as much as I still like them I am worried I would never be able to re sell one unless I could really steal one at rock bottom money I will now be looking at other makes and models
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I know exactly how you feel I had my heart set on a 46, as I thought it was a good all round package however, I decided to take the advice of people on this forum, as they have a lot more experience than me. I look at it from the view that there's not much point in asking for and receiving advice, and then doing totally the opposite. Still a lovely looking boat though and seems a lot of boat for the money, but just a few too many flaws and risks for me to take buying one.
 
Have you considered the amount of canvas to deal with on sports cruisers this size, considering weight, storage etc. I suppose a tender garage deals with the shortage but it's a lot of canvas to move about.
In my circumstances (previous S38 with just the two of us) it led to much discussion about my wife's fingernails. Most of the time I just removed the rear covers :-/
 
Cozzy said:
Have you considered the amount of canvas to deal with on sports cruisers this size, considering weight, storage etc. I suppose a tender garage deals with the shortage but it's a lot of canvas to move about.
In my circumstances (previous S38 with just the two of us) it led to much discussion about my wife's fingernails. Most of the time I just removed the rear covers :-/
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This is less of a concern in the Med (the OP is in Barcelona) - we basically take all the covers off except the bimini top at the end of May, and don't put them back on again until early October. It's not like the UK where you're putting the covers back on every time you use the boat.
 
Cozzy said:
Have you considered the amount of canvas to deal with on sports cruisers this size, considering weight, storage etc. I suppose a tender garage deals with the shortage but it's a lot of canvas to move about.
In my circumstances (previous S38 with just the two of us) it led to much discussion about my wife's fingernails. Most of the time I just removed the rear covers :-/
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The only canvas I need to take off on my boat is the one on the front, and screen at the back, that takes about 2 mins. Most flybridge use screens at the back here.
I always drive with the bimini on top of my head, and I never remove it ever. (only for a clean and to change with the old one in November). That is Med boating for you.
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
This is less of a concern in the Med (the OP is in Barcelona) - we basically take all the covers off except the bimini top at the end of May, and don't put them back on again until early October. It's not like the UK where you're putting the covers back on every time you use the boat.
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Actually Jimmy this was one of the reasons we went away from a sportscruiser even in the Med. We had a Targa 48 which had a massive canvas roof and because of the red rain that we all know in the Med, I didn't want to leave the covers off when we left to go home for the simple reason that putting the covers on every time we left was less of a hassle than cleaning that red sand off every surface every time we arrived. Even so, putting the covers on was a huge hassle involving 2 people and a lot of swearing. The other thing that irritated me was the difficulty of putting the forward and side covers on at sea when spray started to fly about but then I'm a wuss and don't like getting wet. I guess a hardtop cruiser gets over all these problems but IMHO if you're going to get a hardtop cruiser you might as well get one with some seats and a steering wheel on top;) Thats another discussion of course
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
This is less of a concern in the Med (the OP is in Barcelona) - we basically take all the covers off except the bimini top at the end of May, and don't put them back on again until early October. It's not like the UK where you're putting the covers back on every time you use the boat.
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I did wonder when I walked past it the other day! The covers were off but no one was at home! (expect the bimini)
 
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Actually Jimmy this was one of the reasons we went away from a sportscruiser even in the Med. We had a Targa 48 which had a massive canvas roof and because of the red rain that we all know in the Med, I didn't want to leave the covers off when we left to go home for the simple reason that putting the covers on every time we left was less of a hassle than cleaning that red sand off every surface every time we arrived. Even so, putting the covers on was a huge hassle involving 2 people and a lot of swearing. The other thing that irritated me was the difficulty of putting the forward and side covers on at sea when spray started to fly about but then I'm a wuss and don't like getting wet. I guess a hardtop cruiser gets over all these problems but IMHO if you're going to get a hardtop cruiser you might as well get one with some seats and a steering wheel on top;) Thats another discussion of course
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Yep, although from experience it's easier to find someone who will wash the boat just before your arrival than it is to find someone who will remove the covers just before your arrival... :D
 
Look at a Cranchi 48 Flybrige

Hi Guys
What about the Cranchi 48 it has 3 cabins and every conceivable extra for the med and will carry a Williams using the passerall to load and unload?
You buy one for less than £130,000 in the med!
It’s a great boat and you get so much space but is still registered as under 15 meters and 4.2 meter beam so makes it cheaper to berth.
Just a thought!
I am also biased as I have one for sale!!!!
 
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