Sunseeker manhattan 50

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We are thinking of a manhattan 5o next. We like te boat and the mid cabin.

Appreciate any views people have or other mid cabin suggestions upto £350/£400k

Also the come with cat, Volvo or man engines. Any guidance on the best / worst engines appreciated.

We are looking but not about to leap tomorrow, but then a broker has just said they have one and the owner will take a t40 in px. .....

Thanks all
 
IIRC the Manhattan 50 was one of the first boats in its size to have a mid full beam cabin
Something that would now be high on my requirements list.

What about the Princess 54 - one of the prettiest FB's built IMHO - there seem to be lots about now that the model has been superseded. Should be in your bracket.
 
Hmmm a mate was serious about m 50 was3 years old , survey was better reading than 50 shades of grey, many juicy faults that you would not get on a fairline or princess, hence he walked away.
 
Now swmbo will hear nothing bad about 50 shades of mummy porn ( she has read all 3)

What sor of things turned up dado youthnk they were a one off or general faults?

Cheers

Jeremy

Ps. Don't know if you got the storm today but it was a big lightening show for the kids!
 
Friend had a Manhattan 52, similar boat I think, most obvious difference is the hydraulic platform.

The first one was a lemon. Volvo D12's that shook your spine with vibration and formed serious gelcoat cracks - it was replaced with a brand new Mahnattan 52 with MAN engines and was a much smoother boat, don't think they had any gelcoat issues 2nd time round.
 
Look also for the Azimut 55, which was indeed the first full beam owners cabin boat.
Since it started production in 2000 you might get it at the same price albeit a bit older.
Is a bit larger, but has no bunk third cabin and a much better saloon layout with galley opposite.
You could also look may be for an Aicon 56.... There is some at real good prices around.
 
F/L Phantom 48 has sort of full beam cabin. It feels a fair bit smaller than the bulky manhattan 50, but apparently is a good sea boat. Princess 54 as mentioned, and the 58 was never a particularly popular boat, so with £400k cash and a motivated seller you may get an early one (2006/7-ish I think). Sealine T50 also has such a cabin I think?
 
The manhattan could be good but you need to be careful of a few things: black gelcoat fading, noisy exhausts on earlier models, limited range

The boats mentioned are all nice, except for the Aircon which is a lousy design imho (I know they sold lots but it's just not a nice boat). I have a friend/colleague here in the office with a 2009 one owner fairline phantom 48 for sale at £375k. Also has mid cabin. Very high spec boat (he's not boating on a budget) so it has every extra plus contemporary look of black bimini, grey outside sunbrella upholstery, white hull, Williams RIB, light oak interior, etc
 
Unsure which year 'your' boat is but the early ones had windows only on one side in the master suite until s/s woke up and moved the a/c ducts etc so the three vertical windows could be built on either side of the bedroom.

Also look at the F/B ht. They look top heavy and in my view you sit on the F/B not in it. I think you could get wet up there IMHO of course
 
mjf said:
Also look at the F/B ht. They look top heavy and in my view you sit on the F/B not in it. I think you could get wet up there IMHO of course
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Agree with that. I saw a guy struggling to moor his Man 50 in a wind in Majorca a few years back. It looked like it was handling like a cork on a lake. There's a lot of superstructure out of the water and not a lot of hull in the water. Also, whilst the midships master cabin is OK, Sunseeker seemed to have lost the design plot upstairs with a lot of wasted space around the helm and on the early examples, a silly seat facing nowhere in particular. Personally I've never been impressed by SS finish and quality either but thats just a personal opinion. Surprised nobody has mentioned an obvious competitor, the Mk2 Princess 50 which has a midships master and a better saloon with 2 nice seating areas and in typical Princess fashion, is a conservative but well designed boat which I would take over the Man50 any day
 
Re the survey, the main issues were , engine oil leaks on d12 motors. Leaky windscreen and windows, water damaged linings and wood panels, sea water in bilge area aft, reason was rear deck not bonded to hull at all , water poured in on sea trial with following sea and when boat came off plane, many cosmetic issues inside that would cost£££, engine room vents blind system corroded away not working which was fitted at a stage of build now making it impossible to fit new without either taking engines out of removal and chopping internal structure, get the picture a real lemon for a 3 year old boat, it was a sunseeker stock boat too. He spent over £1000 on survey and lift, the really sad thing was he had to employ a solicitor to get his deposit back and it took over 2 weeks from memory, not what you'd expect from ss .
 
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the really sad thing was he had to employ a solicitor to get his deposit back and it took over 2 weeks from memory, not what you'd expect from ss .
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Really? He wouldn't be the first person to have to resort to law to get money from ss that is due to him. (Magnum won, by the way). You need to tread carefully.
 
Its also a point to look at the steps you have to navigate in these 'small' full width master suite jobs.

SHMBO is always drawing this to my attention - not only do you have to climb up before you head down to the galley area but the drop is quite steep. What a performance getting food/drink from the galley to the F/B.
 
jfm said:
Really? He wouldn't be the first person to have to resort to law to get money from ss that is due to him. (Magnum won, by the way). You need to tread carefully.
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I don't particularly want to defend SS but in VP's story, we don't know whether it was one of SS's independent dealers who was holding out on the deposit or SS themselves. Is Magnum able to give us the details or is he bound by a non disclosure agreement?
 
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What a performance getting food/drink from the galley to the F/B.
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Yup, good observatiosn there, and that's why 2nd staircases make so much sense :). Plenty of boats 55 feet have these, but few at 50 feet (Ferretti being an exception - Ferretti designers, bless 'em, really understand the need for the stairs from galley to flybridge)
 
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Is Magnum able to give us the details or is he bound by a non disclosure agreement?
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He's cogitating on that and checking. Regardless of any confi agreement you can sensibly deduce just from public info (court proceedings at the 11th hour back in June) that it settled out of court, and knowing Magnum and his views you know that means he won cos he was never going to concede, due to being both rich and right. I discussed the disclosure or not of his story, in last few days. Maybe more news soon.
 
mjf said:
Its also a point to look at the steps you have to navigate in these 'small' full width master suite jobs.

SHMBO is always drawing this to my attention - not only do you have to climb up before you head down to the galley area but the drop is quite steep. What a performance getting food/drink from the galley to the F/B.
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Yeah I don't think that is necessarily to do with the master cabin location. Some builders just seem to have a blind spot about galley location and always put it down forward at cabin level. You're always going to have to go 'up, over and down' to get to the galley whether the master cabin is located amidships or the guest cabins
 
jfm said:
He's cogitating on that and checking. Regardless of any confi agreement you can sensibly deduce just from public info (court proceedings at the 11th hour back in June) that it settled out of court, and knowing Magnum and his views you know that means he won cos he was never going to concede, due to being both rich and right. I discussed the disclosure or not of his story, in last few days. Maybe more news soon.
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i was following this through the court proceedings and did wonder what the end result was. whatever happened, and whatever the rest of us hear, at least it came to a conclusion and one party involved is a happy soul! :cool:

great combination that. being right and being wealthy enough to fight all the way!
 
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