Sunseeker laying off staff

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It’s happened before with all UK boat builders , Many staff are agency or self employed , I’m sure they will all ride the storm .
At the end of the day there’s no more Howard’s Way boat builders , they are all managed by accountants for venture capitalists that have most likely never even seen the product in the flesh , sad times for sure for the employees , not a great start for 2025 .
 

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It’s happened before with all UK boat builders , Many staff are agency or self employed , I’m sure they will all ride the storm .
At the end of the day there’s no more Howard’s Way boat builders , they are all managed by accountants for venture capitalists that have most likely never even seen the product in the flesh , sad times for sure for the employees , not a great start for 2025 .
Paul, in my experience, and I’ve looked closely at both Sunseeker and Fairline, the problem is less the accountants, and more with the culture of both, that refuses to move into the 21st century. The culture is…..”this is what works best for Sun/Fairline, always has done, and we see no reason to change…..”. Except they must change to survive. The Italians, French and Germans are adopting modern management and manufacturing processes, and are making good businesses as a result.
 

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Sunseeker are a very good brand however as everyone is now acutely aware everything is unfortunately down to money . . Guarantee within two years all production will be in Eastern Europe or China to keep the shareholders happy and costs down ........ It doesn't end there however as the sandwich shop and coffee shop along Poole Quay will ultimately be affected so it really does have a detrimental effect on even the small businesses trying to survive and make a living
 
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More vulture capitalists. Same pattern as Fairline etc.
So there is a drop in the world wide market share for luxury vessels & it is deemed necessary to reduce staff thus cutting costs. You have no idea of the internal finances, or structure of the company. You have no idea of the new company's intended strategy- other than to make a profit for its shareholders ( which is every company's intended target). However, you blame the management, for something possibly beyond their control.
Typical :cry: :rolleyes:
 
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So there is a drop in the world wide market share for luxury vessels & it is deemed necessary to reduce staff thus cutting costs. You have no idea of the internal finances, or structure of the company. You have no idea of the new company's intended strategy- other than to make a profit for its shareholders ( which is every company's intended target). However, you blame the management, for something possibly beyond their control.
Typical :cry: :rolleyes:
Well when it passes the duck test, it has to be at least duck adjacent. Fairline has been ridden by 9 jockeys with hungry shareholders in 18 years. Sunseeker is on their fifth in the same period as of this year. I agree that the purpose of a company is to make a profit, but these entities tend to strip value rather than generate profit. Look at Fletcher, down below 10 employees at the last count.

Let's not forget that this is the same "management" that got fined £358k for using 'blood' teak.
 

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Well when it passes the duck test, it has to be at least duck adjacent. Fairline has been ridden by 9 jockeys with hungry shareholders in 18 years. Sunseeker is on their fifth in the same period as of this year. I agree that the purpose of a company is to make a profit, but these entities tend to strip value rather than generate profit. Look at Fletcher, down below 10 employees at the last count.

Let's not forget that this is the same "management" that got fined £358k for using 'blood' teak.
Fletcher doesn’t exist as a real company, the shell is a prepack vehicle, they’re the shysters that have just ‘acquired’ Fairline.
 

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Well to be honest. I would prefer to see boat builders survive that thrive on selling affordable boats to normal people rather than massive resource hungry monsters to the few
Ultimately that is what will happen. Then those manufacturers will/do build high end low volume stuff. In the long run only the efficient survive. Hiding behind a "brand" however famous only gets you so far.

I recently watched Aquaholics tour of Princess and was shocked at the process waste. Plus not a robot in sight. Then I watched a similar but shorter video of how MonteCarlo (Jeanneau?) build essentially the same thing. Very different, quicker and much easier.
 

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Re post 12. Seems to be a recurring theme with UK boat builders. Lack of investment in new 'technology' to build and assemble boats.
Fairline tried that a few years ago. To give you an example, they had an automated varnishing machine. The equipment cost them a fortune and it would only work with flat surfaces. The end result being that everyone compared the furniture with Ikea. The problem is that the volumes are so small that automation is very difficult to achieve. Despite this, as far as I know, CNC is already used for mould manufacture and for cutting wooden panels.

Another common suggestion is that they have the parts manufactured abroad. That's fine if everyone is doing it but it's no good if Fairline adopted this approach and Princess / Sunseeker still made them in the UK.
 

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Well to be honest. I would prefer to see boat builders survive that thrive on selling affordable boats to normal people rather than massive resource hungry monsters to the few
Off you trot and set one up then. See if you can do better than British brands Shetland, Shakespeare, Microplus, Fletcher, Dell Quay, Birchwood, Sealine and indeed Princess, Fairline and Sunseeker who were building circa 20-30ft boats back in the seventies and eighties before they realised that this market was drying up fast.
 

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It seems to me that UK boatbuilders down the years all followed the same path - 'Let's build bigger and bigger boats until we go bust'. It's just that some yards are still following the path and haven't yet reached the end.

On a different point, it strikes me that if all these successive owners of any single builder were greedy asset strippers then most of them weren't very good at it, or else why would the next one think they were buying a business with anything left to strip? I'm sure many of the new owners believe that they can make something of the business. Then they find they are mistaken, give up trying and flog it off to some more optimistic buyer - or else they manage to make enough of an improvement that they can make a better return by selling and investing their money elsewhere.
 

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Sunseeker are a very good brand however as everyone is now acutely aware everything is unfortunately down to money . . Guarantee within two years all production will be in Eastern Europe or China to keep the shareholders happy and costs down ........ It doesn't end there however as the sandwich shop and coffee shop along Poole Quay will ultimately be affected so it really does have a detrimental effect on even the small businesses trying to survive and make a living
All the big brands have been 'about to move abroad within the next two years' for as long as I can remember

Princess was 'bound to move to France' when LVMH got involved 'because French owner' (and never mind that it never moved to South Africa during the many years it was owned by Graham Beck), Sunseeker was apparently off to China when the Chinese bought it, Fairline were off to Russia a few years ago. All apparently, all never happened.

I wouldn't hold your breath. 🙂
 

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All the big brands have been 'about to move abroad within the next two years' for as long as I can remember

Princess was 'bound to move to France' when LVMH got involved 'because French owner' (and never mind that it never moved to South Africa during the many years it was owned by Graham Beck), Sunseeker was apparently off to China when the Chinese bought it, Fairline were off to Russia a few years ago. All apparently, all never happened.

I wouldn't hold your breath. 🙂
Exactly.

I'm reminded of Trader when they built their boats in China, the quality was abysmal.

And if I remember correctly, Pearl have had some serious structural issues in the past as well.
 

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The owners of Sunseeker have been pouring money into the business for years. How is that being a "vulture"?
I wasn't referring to the past owners, I specifically quoted the section of the BBC article which referred to the two venture capital companies that have taken over.
 
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