Sunseeker Camargue 55

[MapisM]

Anyone [...] could offer an alternative?

Unless you are restricting yourself to Brit builders (which imho, for that type of boat and a Med usage, would be a mistake), the list is long.
In fact, I'm surprised that PYB only mentioned the Prin V55, because I'm sure he could give you a list longer than mine - just off the top of my head:
- Sarnico 55
- Itama 54
- Tecnomarine 55
- Italcraft 54
- Alfamarine 55
- Rizzardi 53

 

[Portofino]

My understanding is that WL was referring to the 200Nm return trip, and if so his 2000 compares with your 1080 (=540*2).
Still a bit high actually, but most americans would argue that it's a price worth paying to cruise with the "sound of freedom" background, as they call the GM sound...

Gotcha :encouragement:

They do sound nice DD.s agree on that .

 

[jrudge]

Depends how fast you go. For my 52ft Ferretti it’s about 700l at 8.5knts, 2,000l at 22knts.

Assume £1000 each way you won’t be disappointed!

 

[Whitelighter]

My understanding is that WL was referring to the 200Nm return trip, and if so his 2000 compares with your 1080 (=540*2).
Still a bit high actually, but most americans would argue that it's a price worth paying to cruise with the "sound of freedom" background, as they call the GM sound...

Correct, we were talking round trip so 200Nm

 

[Divemaster1]

Depends how fast you go. For my 52ft Ferretti it’s about 700l at 8.5knts, 2,000l at 22knts.

WL ... means you're fuelling those DD's for 1000 - 1100 HP per hour ... Suspect you're not quite in tune with one or two injectors on each engine ... quite common really and also the reason for DD's having a reputation of being thirsty ... yup, they are heavy... but you should not be fuelling for near WOT (assuming you're still on injectors for 550 HP) at 22 knots ... unless you're throwing in that 20% safety margin...

 

[Whitelighter]

I don’t do it very often so I don’t gave loads of figures.
The 8.5knt figure I have loads of data for.

There is apparently a Detroit specialist at MTU in Barcelona who the local service guys are friendly with.
Do you reckon it’s worth getting him in to go over the tuning

 

[Grubble]

Depends how fast you go. For my 52ft Ferretti it’s about 700l at 8.5knts, 2,000l at 22knts.

I don't know what the marina is charging for diesel, but if its around €1.30 a litre that's between €900 and €2,500 for a trip to Palma and at 8.5 knots its the whole day to get there. Not so bad if you are going to cruise around the island for a week or so, but it makes for an expensive day trip.

 

[Whitelighter]

I don't know what the marina is charging for diesel, but if its around €1.30 a litre that's between €900 and €2,500 for a trip to Palma and at 8.5 knots its the whole day to get there. Not so bad if you are going to cruise around the island for a week or so, but it makes for an expensive day trip.

Who goes for the day? Yes we'll be there for 10 days most likely

We cant do weekends out there so the difference between €30,000 for a berth and expensive £150ea flights and €4500 for a berth and £40ea flights pays for a lot of diesel.
Also, I go to be on the boat, all day getting there is not a problem. In fact its rather pleasant. And if the weather is bad we simply don't go, being on mainland Spain with a car means there is plenty to do.

Not the thing to do if you want to pop out and weekend on the islands for sure. But if like us you take 2-3 trips a year for longer periods it works very well indeed

 

[jrudge]

I don't know what the marina is charging for diesel, but if its around €1.30 a litre that's between €900 and €2,500 for a trip to Palma and at 8.5 knots its the whole day to get there. Not so bad if you are going to cruise around the island for a week or so, but it makes for an expensive day trip.

I doubt anyone would do it for the day! It is mostly a holiday trip.

Just for info diesel 2 days ago in Andraxt was E1.326 which is sadly higher then last year when it was mostly circa E1.24

 

[petem]

Incidentally I received an email over the weekend for a 22m berth in St Eulalia. Yours for a cool £1m plus €4.5k per annum service charge. You do get a free parking space though!

 

[petem]

I doubt anyone would do it for the day! It is mostly a holiday trip.

Just for info diesel 2 days ago in Andraxt was E1.326 which is sadly higher then last year when it was mostly circa E1.24

I'd hope to get there and back on a tank so c. £500 (Targa 34).

 

[Whitelighter]

I'd hope to get there and back on a tank so c. £500 (Targa 34).

Dont suppose you know the current diesel price in SCM pete?

 

[Byff]

Unless you are restricting yourself to Brit builders (which imho, for that type of boat and a Med usage, would be a mistake), the list is long.
In fact, I'm surprised that PYB only mentioned the Prin V55, because I'm sure he could give you a list longer than mine - just off the top of my head:

- Sarnico 55: Externally looks very nice, not keen on the internal layout
- Itama 54: Looks too chunky, bathing platform looks like it's an afterthought.
- Tecnomarine 55: Looks too old.
- Italcraft 54: Looks old, but not as old as the tecnomarine.
- Alfamarine 55: Lack of sunbathing areas
- Rizzardi 53: Looks a little cramped inside.

All are good suggestions and I've enjoyed looking at them, the closest boat matching what I want is probably the Princess V55, it's just confirmed that for price, layout and looks, the Camargue is my number one choice.

 

[petem]

Dont suppose you know the current diesel price in SCM pete?

Sorry Jez, normally look away!

Only kidding, but the last time we were over due to wind and fire extinguisher issues only made it to the lagoon and back so didn't bother topping up.

 

[Whitelighter]

- Itama 54: Looks too chunky, bathing platform looks like it's an afterthought.
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O. M. G

Look, an Itama is the perfect solution to everyone's boating needs

It just is

Accept it

How dare you say these things - the deacon of the church of Itama will be a long shortly purge your godless soul

 

[Whitelighter]

just to check Im thinkning of the right boat is this the style of Sunseeker you are talking about?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

I doubt anyone would do it for the day! It is mostly a holiday trip.

Just for info diesel 2 days ago in Andraxt was E1.326 which is sadly higher then last year when it was mostly circa E1.24

That's not bad - €1.69 in Port Vauban, Antibes on Saturday.

 

[MapisM]

O. M. G...

LOL, I must say that in this case I would stand behind any objection PF might rise against calling chunky a boat which is widely regarded as a milestone in open boats design.
But it's the comment about the swim platform which I think is the most weird.
Not so much because it's very obvious that it wasn't an afterthought at all, but because regardless of the integrated vs. overhanging design, the last thing I would want is a Med boat (particularly an open one!) with no swim platform at all, which for all intents and purposes is what can be said of the Camargue… :ambivalence:

 

[jrudge]

That's not bad - €1.69 in Port Vauban, Antibes on Saturday.

OUCH!!!!!! When I was last in Italy ( 3 years?) ir was E1.80 so lord knows what it is now.

How much is a tanker?

 

[Divemaster1]

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There is apparently a Detroit specialist at MTU in Barcelona who the local service guys are friendly with.
Do you reckon it’s worth getting him in to go over the tuning

Apologies for the thread drift ...

Tuning the engines means;

1) backing off the idle screw (on governor)
2) removing rocker covers (may need air intake removal)
3) Back off rack completely and adjust the injector-racks (with governor at WOT) ... two on each of your engines (need to know the timing and have timing tool ... but I think you may already have that one )
4) Adjust the exhaust valve clearances (once again, need to know the clearance and have right gauge ... probably imperial measure)
5) Startup and reset idle screw
6) Re-assemble

The above would be a rough guess of 2.5 - 3.5 hr on each engine ... if you have the injector timing tool and a 32mm socket and bar (to turn engine around manually), you can check the injector timing yourself in a short hour (per engine) before booking in someone expensive who probably will charge you for the whole day + mate + travel...

Soot on transom after a good run under load is a good indicator that you may be out of tune / over fueling.... you won't notice that at 8.5 knot...