Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint 'gines?

[jfm]

Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

Last week in the Med there seems to have been plenty of sunseeker viewing. I was with a friend who is buying a Camargue 50. We looked at one at sseeker in Golfe Juan. It was their stock boat, taken in trade in.

It was a 2000 boat, 200 hours, one owner in Mallorca. Sseeker had transferred it to SofF becuase too many camargue 50s in stock in blearix, they said. Twin 700hp Cats.

All was clean and tidy, very. But the engines had been resprayed. They were original Cat white, and had been resprayed recently. We could tell becuase the paint felt very new, and not everything had been masked off so some rubber tubes, jubilee clips etc had been sprayed.

I asked the dealer why. He said it was normal to paint engines, to tart up a boat for resale.

Is this normal? Or should we be suspicious that they have been on fire or something? Russell, maybe you know?

I looked at another of their stock boats on the same pontoon, with white MAN800s. Also 200 hours, 2001. These had not been painted, and showed the normal discolouration where the white paint goes brown on the hot parts of the engine.

So I'm suspicious that this boat came to grief and the paint is a cover up, and they moved it from blearix because people there know its history. Name of boat is Cham Mist. Blue hull.

Anyone know if engine painting is normal, and history of this boat?


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[wakeup]

Normal in a chop shop!! nm

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

For what its worth the T48 I have just bought in Mallorca underwent some fairly drastic engine surgery last year carried out by the local Cat dealer and the engines were not repainted or even touched up.
Before I bought mine I looked at several used Sunseekers in Mallorca, France and UK and I dont remember any of them having repainted engines not even the heroically over-priced ones down in Poole
Its like going in to a used car emporium. You just know the shiny one with the blacked up tyres (why do they do that?) is dodgy

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[DavidJ]

Re: Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

Not normal
I suspect severe flooding of the engine compartment leading to severe rusting.
If this is infact the case they won't have got rid of all the rust (eg lower jubilee clips) see if you can scrap a little paint off to investigate.
David

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[tcm]

That cheap sunseeker with painted engines

The boat I saw (sold! sadly) was a pred 56, two big cabins. Screaming yellow hull, 120 hours on the painted MAN 800 engines, bit gobbed up really. I asked the broker (bart) and he said on balance, yes they paintem, cos otherwise the flaky paint is very offputting. I wouldn't be worried. But I agree it looks suspicious. Bart proceeds to tear hair out and say the problme is to make it look just decent enough - but not too much. So, that monster €18k service on learners previous not-boat - shouldn't have been mentioned. Us brits want it all original, preferably with stone flagged floors and drips of blood where Henry the Second skewered his servant with a boat hook for forgetting the twist of lemon.

Pricewise, i am still picking myself off the floor. 2-yearold boat with 120 hours on twin MAN's went for £400k, largely cos it had yellow hull. New price about £690k with all the vat and add-ons. Find a yukky hull colour and make a stupid offer seems good advice. Make a stupid offer anyway. Like, if they ask 500, offer 400.

I think on my engines i wd repaint for resale - 200 hours and they look a bit crappo, specially the chippy offy bits on the intercooler.

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[Guest]

Re: Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

Painting engines is quite common and recommended, I paint my CATS on a regular basis when any discoloration rust marks appear or burn marks around the manifold etc. But you are certainly not wrong to discount or be vigilant of any previous possible mishaps that may have occured with the engines that a repaint could hide and would certainly advise a thorough investigation regarding the history etc both from the dealer Sunseeker themselves and any previous owners etc etc. insurance companies etc Finance co.`s Get sight of the ships papers and of course a survey plus engine survey if none too happy.This course will most certainly unvail any fires that may have been as these have to be logged by a broker or dealershould they know of any.

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[wakeup]

If they can re-spary the engines...

why don't they re-paint the hull. Wouldn't that net them a better return??

How feasible/durable would a hull be if re-painted? Coz I might have a cunning plan for new business. Triffic.

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[tcm]

Re:re-spray the hull, ooh jfm won\'t like it....

They reckoned that retail on grinding down the 56' hull yellow and re-gel in dark blue would be £18k all in incl antifoul etc.

But legally typs like jfm would go mental at resale, doncha think? "Aha look, originally yellow/white but look, thiv painted it blue! Because they like blue, a likely story. And look, they hoovered the carpet, very dodgily put fender sox on, and the - right, that's it - they offered us a cup of coffee in the office and were very pleasant. A definite definite conjob! Lets go somewhere else and find some honest to goodness rusty engines, dented hull with scuff marks and an industry-standard ignorant git broker whom I can reliably ignore...."

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[wakeup]

If I was buying it..

all you'd have to do to convince me is show me the before and after photos of yellow then blue. Who in their right mind would buy a yellow anything????? Cept a banana of course..

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[tcm]

or a Lamborghini

Well, actually it looked quite fabbo. Princess do a nasty lemon yellow hull - this is much better orangey flame yellow. And nobody's gonna nick it are they?

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[wakeup]

That would be orange then nm

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[tcm]

Tisn\'t

have a look at the XS2000. screamy yellow. But not wishy washy. Though I wouldn't choose it. Unless 100k off book price, ahem.

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[Tiger Rag]

Re: Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

Sorry, don't know any history on this particular boat (not in our usual scope), I would say yes it is very normal to paint main engines, but usually only after a major service when things inevitably get scratched/chipped and look tatty. But after only 200 hours!? Would definitely ring a few alarm bells with me, would be much happier to see original paint with the associated discolouration and fading from normal running than new paint on such a new boat.

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[jfm]

Yellow can be ok on the right object

Yellow is a peculiar colour. As a kid I used to drool over ads for Moonraker 36 and scheme up ways to buy one, then when they put the yellow hulled ones in the ads I loved em even more.

Sunseeker XS look best in yellow, imho. Likewise some fountains and scarabs and suchlike

But Williams BMW in Luton have on their forecourt a traded-in 51-reg BMW M5 in custom colour - Dakar Yellow , that's the quite pale, pastelly yellow off the M3. Strangely this car has not sold despite £1000 below book ahem.

Anyway, I'm a bit suspicious about these repainted engines. But in all other respects the boat is excellent condition so I think he might buy it.

TCM, what is bart's stock list like, (you sed you were there last week?) My friend wants a 50 or 56, must be 2000 or newer, and available NOW? The prices at sunseeker were high, like buying a used Merc off a Merc dealer.

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

To be fair to Sunseeker, they never tried to hide the history of the boats I looked at and you have to ask whether they would take into their stock a boat that had had serious problems. All the same, I would'nt expect to have to repaint engines that are only a few years old so there must be some reason for this if only serious neglect

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[Russell]

Re: Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

Mine has had its engines repainted, well the bits at the front u can c when u peer in the hatch anyway. The backs of the engines and the transom plates still have the original paint, which still looks better than the resprayed parts.....
Mine came from France so maybe its a French thing ??

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[c_j]

Re: Sunseeker 2nd hand. Issit normal to paint \'gines?

I am not sure about second hand tarting up but Volvo's main dealers at Poole always paint after serviceing or where nuts have been undone and paint scrapes off to reveal bare metal. I was suprised like you when I bought my first boat with Volvos, which had been seviced by another (Lymmington) dealership to find the overspray, but they do spray Volvo'ss a matter of course.

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[Russell]

Re: If I was buying it..

I'd buy a yellow 1, especially if it went cheep.

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[tcm]

Re: Yellow can be ok on the right object

dunno, ringimup at ancasta france, but it is sprinkled around a bit so if you see a 56 the others cold be in the next marina or whatever. Could be some bargains - my mate must have reorgainsed some people's ideas about how much a 2nd hand sunseeker p56 is worth! I suppose you have to ring for update every week this time of year. Learner does, teehee.

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[HowardB]

Wouldn\'t that make it a Canary?

If it was Yellow and went Cheep?

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