Sunsail carribean complaints

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I sent the letter below to sunsail MD, but no reply from him, though a partial reply from an office person, which said "i hope it was sunny" but there are clearly no plans to do anything. Sunsail get lots of free advertising on telly, but imho some of the shorebased stuff is a bit manky. This slightly edited, names taken out etc.


Dear xxxxx

We've just got back from a 2-centre holiday with Sunsail in the BVI bareboat
over Christmas, and then at Club Colonna in Antigua over New year.

We were given questionnaires, but they don't allow a full picture - and they
take time out of a holiday. So I thought I'd write.

Overall, we enjoyed the Caribbean, and we'll go again. We had exactly the
same 2-centre holiday the year before (2000-2001) so it must have been
pretty okay the first time - and it was.

This time, the bareboat was fine again. However, it sprang a serious leak
on the last day, filling the boat with almost a foot of water before I found
the raw water exhaust pipe and fallen off, and I jammed it back on. But then
the bilge pump didn't work.

We lurched back to Mayer Cove, whilst running off as much fresh water as possible to lose some weight. Some of the sunsail men started fixing things, whilst we recovered from what had been a potential sinking situation. The manager chap (I think he was, but he didn't say anything) saw us, but then left us unsympathetically and without comment.

Later, in the office, I made the point that we could have simply packed, abandoned the boat to sink in the Drake channel, got in the dinghy and returned for our $400 dollar dinghy deposit. An hour later at debrief the nice local chap at last thanked us for saving the boat. I wonder when the manager does anything if he doesn’t even raise an eyebrow when a boat almost sinks? Or if you need him at all if others can manage it all?

Then to Antigua, where there's a beach club/hotel, with sailing boats. But things weren't as they were the year before. The rooms weren't available. They'd put us in a villa, but along where the sewerage smells are still as bad as last year. I complained, and got rooms near to where we'd been before. But this year the spin driers are hammering away at the walls from 7.30 am and then every spin cycle until mid-afternoon.

Most depressing is the food. Many of the buffets were evidently cheaper
than the year before, culminating in lasagne and potato salad at New Years
Eve. Most meals seemed aimed at the palate of the staff (what's "edo?") rather than the majority of the Brit. guests who don't go a bundle on plantain fritters,
for example. Mealtimes must be easy when most of the food is uneaten.

The New Years Eve fireworks, admittedly a fabulous over-extravagance last year were pared down to lousy and much-ridiculed 2-minute £100 five rockets and and fizzle.

This is all such a pity. I know that controlling costs is important, but
the way that this been done is to spoil the whole thing. Many people had
tired of the food and went off-site. The New Years party was only half-supported. I met one couple that were eating off-site as much as possible. We took to avoiding the morning flies in the bar by taking breakfast to our room. The bar prices have gone up so that they're now more expensive than at the airport.

Having travelled the world a fair bit, I don't think I've ever been to a
restaurant or hotel where the topic of the lousy food/management was the most easy common ground with which to start a conversation with others.

Eventually, even the pernicious little (new) charge for baggage handling back to the airport seemed entirely in character, although transfers are supposedly included.

It seems such a shame that the superb location and excellent waterports
equipment and facilities are thwarted by such a rapidly worsening onshore
situation. I can't believe that they need to so ruthlessly control and
bear down on their costs.

I mentioned to the general manager that, unlike last year, there were local
dogs roaming the watersports beach. "Well", he said "You point them out to me, and I'll make sure that they're sent away!" . Hmm. Can someone tell him that dogs have four legs and a tail?

Sadly, although we might rent Sunsail boats again, we won't use the club again unless it all changes back to at least as good as it was a year or so ago, or
hopefully, somewhat better.

I'll also avoid the tightly jammed seating of Air 2000 if I possibly can. I
understand that these have the shortest legroom of any transatlantic
carrier. I tried to upgrade but no chance on the busy Christmas flight.

During the flight on the way home, we were asked to fill in another
customer survey, and shortly afterwards, they served coffee. I noticed that
all of the stewards and hostesses pour boiling coffee/tea in the direction of the seated passenger, so that any pouring accident would instantly scald someone.
Perhaps they could turn a little, and pour over the aisle, not over the passenger, to eliminate the risk, I suggested? “I've never had any accident like that in 9 years” responded the bristling steward. I almost asked if he'd ever had a plane crash, and if he'd only bother with other safety precautions... once an accident had happened. I stopped filling in the survey.

Costs sem to have been pared such that they're driving customers away (me anyway, and some others I'd imagine) and the prices are such that you're making pots of money. At any rate, you might suggest to the CEO of First Choice
not to do any more TV interviews where he points out how people are
prepared to spend lots more on special interest holidays, hence the lovely
profits, because it grates.

That's enough from me. Let me know if Colonna is getting a refit. It needed it a few years ago. Nonetheless, we had a good holiday with lots of
sunshine.... ....but the sunshine is free, Mr. Branson is a better bet for the flight, and Moorings now actually have a Customer Service emblazoned speedboat patrolling the BVI. Wow!
 

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We've stopped Sunsailing for similarish reasons. The onshore experience has slowly got worse - food, accomodation, 'hotel' staff expertise and enthusiasm. And the boats seem to have suffered a downgrade in quality levels too - fittings and equipment seem to be the lowest cost available, with the result that things break, get bodged, break again, adding apprehension to the clasic sun and sea formula. And frankly I've never found sailing Jeanneaux to be a totally satisfying sailing expereince! Only thing which has remained undimmed, IMHO, is the 'willingness' of the waterfront and on-board staff who've always been excellent.
 

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Sunsail are now owned by First Choice so there lies your answer.

Sunsail were a small niche company that provided superb service (3 years consecutive hols with them).

Our chalet host on a recent ski holiday worked for Sunsail last summer and said that costs had been slashed after the FC take over and that the whole atmosphere was ruined and they now have trouble getting staff etc.

This guy was the engineer who said that a while back if something went wrong with a boat they fix it immediately - now they have to beg borrow or steal parts etc.

Shame really.

Roger Holden
www.first-magnitude.co.uk
 

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Re: Ionian (2nd hand feedback)

After bareboating (sorry independent sailing) over many years in Greece, we managed to cajole some friends of ours to learn sailing (villa/flotilla) at Sunsail's base in the Ionian. They were a group of 5 - mum and dad and 3 kids, the youngest of which was 4. They had never sailed before at all and were told that no experience was necessary. They had booked a 34' (if I remember rightly) but 6 weeks before going, Sunsail contacted them to tell them that they had a free upgrade of a 42 footer. I suggested to them that they turn such a kind offer down, since, although undeniably more comfortable, they would have a great deal of trouble managing such a beast!

The idea was to have sailing lessons whilst at the base for the first week, before setting off on the flotilla bit.

As is typical of the Ionian, most of the mornings saw no wind and when the wind did eventually get up, most of the punters were tucking into what was apparently pretty poor food. So they didn't really learn to sail at all.

One day, the two adults went out on a boat with another couple, sailed around the corner and, in virtually no wind, the entire mast and rigging collapsed, most of it landing over the side. Needless to say, they were a little shocked. They were told that it was a problem with the boat and next day, given a new one. On the second week, they poodled about getting into all kinds of scrapes, particularly on their independent sailing days. Amazingly, boat and crew returned to the base intact.

They described the 'villa' appartment as very, very basic. The food was pretty dreadful, the staff so laid back that no-one seemed to care very much and the 'instruction' almost non-existant. Yet it wasn't a cheap holiday. The children were petrified every time the sail was hoisted. I don't suppose they will go sailing again.

It's a bit depressing because Sunsail used to be a very commited company, offering a high quality product. It seems to have gone horribly wrong. You've only got to look at the state of some of the charter boats returning to Port Solent to see that the passion has gone out of the business.
 

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A good experience in BVIs

I too went there on Boxing day for 2 weeks on the flotilla and had a great time. I found Maya cove great and the people friendly.

We did have a couple of minor problems on the boat but these were all sorted out by the lead skipper very quickly.

I have to say that the bareboaters I spoke too suffered the most as there was not always someone available to fix things straight away.

I had a great time and Sunsail were very good.

AIR 2000 was appalling though and I agree about the seat room. I was glad it was only 7 hours for the flight!
 

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Re: Moorings?

You could try Footloose - their boats are very well turned out and the charterers seemed to be well above average in terms of skill.

I seem to remember hearing that they are part of Moorings anyway, but perhaps a bit cheaper?
 

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Re: Moorings?

yep - its the 'budget' arm of Moorings. Generally the slightly older Moorings boat re-badged. Seem to have a good rep.
 
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Re: Stardust

Took the family last year on a Stardust bareboat charter in Turkey based at Marmaris. The boats, staff and support before we went (Tenrag) were absolutely excellent. They went out of their way to be as helpful as possible. We didn't book this year - why? Because Stardust has been bought out by Sunsail!
 

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Re: Stardust

I did a Stardust a year or so ago,pre Sunsail. Palma Majorca, it was excellent. So year later did same Stardust but now Sunsail, boat not well prepared and moved to an untenable pontoon,service poor. Now I wont use Sunsail or Stardust again,
 
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