Sunken small yacht, Newton Creek IoW

Really, so he has has no agency in his life choices?
I've never met the guy, so I don't know how he got where he is. It's likely that bad decisions were involved, but being born middle class and comfortable, then getting a decent education gives people a far better chance in life than being raised on a sink estate by a drug addict mother.

Yes, we all have agency, but some have it easier than others. I'm not going to condemn someone without knowing their history; There, but for the grace of God...
 
I've never met the guy, so I don't know how he got where he is. It's likely that bad decisions were involved, but being born middle class and comfortable, then getting a decent education gives people a far better chance in life than being raised on a sink estate by a drug addict mother.

Yes, we all have agency, but some have it easier than others. I'm not going to condemn someone without knowing their history; There, but for the grace of God...
How old is this guy? Sink estates as you refer to them didn't use to be that way. Nor was everyone born middle class.
 
I’m pretty sure the sinking was accidental. It’s his other lifestyle choices which are designed to offend. For instance, in spite of losing almost everything, his new boat was almost instantly loaded with piles of useless and unused junk. That look is entirely deliberate.

Personally, I don't think even that is deliberate, I think he just lives that way.

....but yes, he's responsible for many things, I just don't think he deliberately sank his boat.
 
Personally, I don't think even that is deliberate, I think he just lives that way.

....but yes, he's responsible for many things, I just don't think he deliberately sank his boat.
Negligent but not deliberate. Taking your yacht in tow in a rowing tender is wildly over optimistic in Newtown, the tide runs close to 3kn where he is anchored.
 
We all make mistakes, boats crash, boats go adrift.
But .
It’s how you choose to sort out the fallout that counts .
Don’t expect others to pick up your litter and stand by and watch them do it. Basically it’s the tone that that sort of behaviour leaves behind that hinders the next chap coming along in dire straits but genuine .
 
Years ago I recall a ships lifeboat drifting about Chichester harbour under sail……..the owner picked a autumnal high spring tide and beached his craft ,he was a sea going vagrant so he was safe and couldn’t be moved
 
Somewhere they will be, or have been, discussing how to prevent this sort of thing. Three things will be on the table and they affect us all:

1) Statutory legislation covering this local spot
2) A charging structure with penalties
3) Wider yacht and boat registration

So this one self indulgent prat is more than a picturesque nuisance, it would not be a huge surprise to find some of his mates turning up later.

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He seems to be irritating some here. But there is a massive issue about how to deal with end-of-life fibreglass boats which is much, much bigger than this one person. Around where I sail there are many defunct and derelict craft just waiting to sink.

So, do the comments here mean that we all would embrace the full regulation of small recreational craft?
 
He seems to be irritating some here. But there is a massive issue about how to deal with end-of-life fibreglass boats which is much, much bigger than this one person. Around where I sail there are many defunct and derelict craft just waiting to sink.

So, do the comments here mean that we all would embrace the full regulation of small recreational craft?
For me, just not allowing your uninsured old grp boat to sink in a National Trust owned, AONB and SSSI would be a damned good start. You’d think that the boating community were mostly a good lot, but we’ve had 2 uninsured boat dumps quite close together, time and location. If he was in a camper van in an NT car park, he’d have long since been asked as strongly as needed to move along.
 
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So, do the comments here mean that we all would embrace the full regulation of small recreational craft?
"Full regulation" is a hugely wide and ill defined term.
But i think perhaps for boats over say 7m compulsory SSR registration and compulsory 3rd party and recovery insurance would be acceptable and probably very beneficial.
 
"Full regulation" is a hugely wide and ill defined term.
But i think perhaps for boats over say 7m compulsory SSR registration and compulsory 3rd party and recovery insurance would be acceptable and probably very beneficial.
Even that is probably not necessary. Every harbour authority could simply insist on suitable insurance or you don't park here. That could surely include anchoring in their waters. I'm surprised that anyone can anchor up a river or inlet that is part of the NT without some sort of supervision.
 
Somewhere they will be, or have been, discussing how to prevent this sort of thing. Three things will be on the table and they affect us all:

1) Statutory legislation covering this local spot
2) A charging structure with penalties
3) Wider yacht and boat registration

So this one self indulgent prat is more than a picturesque nuisance, it would not be a huge surprise to find some of his mates turning up later.

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He was in Newtown all of last summer and none of his mates turned up. He was also in a much location much closer to Shalfleet.
 
What surprises me most is how some people buy a boat, and are then prepared to just walk away and lose everything if it goes aground (or sinks)

Near here, 3 have gone aground in the recent past. Only one of those was saved and re floated thanks to the owner taking some immediate steps to protect it while it was on the shore then arranging with willing local volunteers (me included) to re float it on the next suitable tide.

The others, one could have been saved if the owner had acted quickly when it went aground. It now sits on the beach embarrassingly close to the sailing club. The other the owner was not nearby and it landed in a bad inaccessible place and is now a holed wreck which will probably gradually break up where it is.

On a recent holiday, speaking to someone in the USA it appears by law boat insurance there must include "wreck removal" Perhaps that is all we need so that at least if the boat is lost, someone will be responsible for cleaning up the mess?
 
For me, just not allowing your uninsured old grp boat to sink in a National Trust owned, AONB and SSSI would be a damned good start. You’d think that the boating community were mostly a good lot, but we’ve had 2 uninsured boat dumps quite close together, time and location. If he was in a camper van in an NT car park, he’d have long since been asked as strongly as needed to move along.
Sounds simple but how would this be achieved in practice? There’s no chance of legislation for such a rare occurrence. If a local bye-law, how would enforcement happen and who would pay for that? I’m genuinely interested in knowing the answer.

I suspect that people here are exercised over this incident because it affects their personal view.

A bigger priority for me is leaving aside this purely local issue and dealing with the wider problem, the ticking time-bomb of abandoned boats in many ports, creeks and boatyards of the uk. That’s where the real problem is.
 
What surprises me most is how some people buy a boat, and are then prepared to just walk away and lose everything if it goes aground (or sinks)

Near here, 3 have gone aground in the recent past. Only one of those was saved and re floated thanks to the owner taking some immediate steps to protect it while it was on the shore then arranging with willing local volunteers (me included) to re float it on the next suitable tide.

The others, one could have been saved if the owner had acted quickly when it went aground. It now sits on the beach embarrassingly close to the sailing club. The other the owner was not nearby and it landed in a bad inaccessible place and is now a holed wreck which will probably gradually break up where it is.

On a recent holiday, speaking to someone in the USA it appears by law boat insurance there must include "wreck removal" Perhaps that is all we need so that at least if the boat is lost, someone will be responsible for cleaning up the mess?
Exactly the same folks who don’t bother with/can’t afford to insure generally would not insure for wreck removal.
 
On a recent holiday, speaking to someone in the USA it appears by law boat insurance there must include "wreck removal" Perhaps that is all we need so that at least if the boat is lost, someone will be responsible for cleaning up the mess?
Problem with compulsory insurance is how do you police it? It would only work if all boats are registered, and (like cars) it is your responsibility until you can prove it isn't - that's a whole heap of bureaucracy that we don't have in place (and would cost a heap of money). Even if you put those rules in place they are pointless unless there's a high chance of getting caught flouting them, which would mean far far more patrolling than is currently done (nil in my part of the country) - more money. Then, assuming all that happens, you'll get thousands of boats abandoned on day one as people decide their wreck isn't worth the bother, so you're back to square one - except with a sudden glut of abandoned wrecks, with nobody responsible (or funded) for clearing them up. Meanwhile all law-abiding boaters have been put to expense and hassle.

Much cheaper to add a £10 (or £5, or whatever) recovery tax to boat insurance - we'll all grumble because yet again it's the law abiding who pay, but it would create a (cheap to administer) fund for actually clearing up the mess. Pay people £50 for anything fibreglass and thieves would soon clear the foreshore for us.
 
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