Portofino
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Yeh like tie the ground line to your neighbour .Hose down the crap off his boat while hosing yours down when you return .
Suitability of a 58 hatteras long range cruiser in the med
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MapisM
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If you mean an external route, you don't see because it doesn't exist.
From the cockpit, you must enter the saloon, and reach the p/house side door.
Which mooring lines aside, is something I wouldn't want in a Med boat also because it's pretty normal to have people coming onboard after a swim (obviously wet) and going to the bow for some sunbathing.
But if the boat is mostly meant for living aboard, interior spaces are obviously impossible to beat, for the boat size.
Some other boats have the so-called asymmetric layout, where there is the walkaround on one side only.
I don't like that either, but if the focus is on interiors, you still get half of the increase allowed by a full wide-body, without giving up completely the flexibility of walkarounds.
Compromises, as always...
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MapisM
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I can think of several old school boaters who would search the dirtiest undershort they can find inside their laundry basket, just to throw it onboard your boat upon return.
vas
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so, let me get that right (and I'm out of here!) on an unknown port with lazy lines and a bit of wind, you need THREE persons:
one on the wheel
one picking up the lazy line and
one waiting on the f/b with a loooong hook to pick the line from the second one.
nice and easy, not!
only option is a decent engine/thruster remote to drop to two persons...
V.
one on the wheel
one picking up the lazy line and
one waiting on the f/b with a loooong hook to pick the line from the second one.
nice and easy, not!
only option is a decent engine/thruster remote to drop to two persons...
V.
Bouba
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You missed the bit where the person who hands over the lazy line to the flybridge guy then goes through the boat to the bow and takes the lazy line back from him.
And why are they called lazy lines when they are such hard work? I call them slime lines
vas
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no I dont, simple arithmetic Bouba, yes these are two persons dealing with the slime/sharp lazy lines.
plus one on the helm using thrusters/engines as needed to keep the boat in the right spot.
2+1 = 3
in most cases at least, could be 4 for large sizes of 2 and/or 1
plus one on the helm using thrusters/engines as needed to keep the boat in the right spot.
2+1 = 3
in most cases at least, could be 4 for large sizes of 2 and/or 1
Bouba
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This is the best combination of wide bodied boat and lazy line
vas
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yeah, but I think we're probably a couple of mil short for such a thing...
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markc
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That reminded me that I didn't use my slime line gadget this season, I should have though, it's pretty good.
Portofino
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Hmm !
You might have a point but as you should know when it’s windy in the afternoon with returning boats in the evening after a day out in the Med , the sound of the crack of fibreglass and concrete is never far away.This is with crew and side decks btw .
As it’s long hooked passed to the guy ( assume helm ) popping out the side door he can always give the thruster a over compensation boost to what ever side .Or tie off the line to a guard rail temporarily and run back to the helm , or by then person 1 who was at the stern bring the line and passed it on , is now stood at the helm with hands on the controls .
Person 1 does not turn into a statue after they pass it down to person 2 ( parking helm ) reaching out the helm side door .
If it’s a tight gap twixt boats then once it’s in the lateral movement aspects are a none event .
Actually on that ^^^ that’s the only real problem…….jammed in a tight spot the line tangling up with the fenders , both boats .
Without side decks at the the mid sections ( the Beamer the more likely fenders squished ) how can you lift a fender to untangle it from the line ? Particularly if as you say the wind is pressing on one side .
Thats the bummer a mid jammed line between the fender squish.
Zkaliman
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Hey guys I really wanna thank you guys - once I buy the boat - whenever I’m in your port I’ll have to buy you lunch. I’ve decided to focus on a Sanlorenzo a med friendly boat , walk around decks, port/starboard doors, dinghy on swim step. But a friend of mine sent me a Dutch style boat that’s in Italy . I think it doesn’t have a/c and I’m getting more info on it - the layout is different, the kitchen is down, the living room is mid boat- almost like a 3 story boat because of the internal stairs. it doesn’t have port or starboard doors, but seems to have windows throughout that open. Seems This boat is built for a different weather region ? I wonder because of its layout if I would have to run the a/c all the time, or do those existing windows people provide enough natural airflow - as I hear the med gets very hot in summer. Do members on this forum have experience with such a boat like this ? and if you could be so kind to offer an opinion on having this boat in med. I’m looking to have for a number of years and not have a home port per se. I’d be doing the shenghen shuffle- but my idea is to maybe keep boat in one European country/region each year. I appreciate your insights and things to be aware of if I decide to move away from a sanlorenzo type layout boat and move towards this boat. Thanx https://www.mondialbroker.com/Engin...82ae70&i=edb7f04e-feed-459e-9b77-4f92a3c2740d They are asking about 230k. It only has 2 cabins.
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MapisM
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Wise decision per se, but VERY wise when compared to a steel boat with no airco!
Just curious, what SL model are you talking about? In all the ones I can think of, the dinghy is stored on the flybridge.
Portofino
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SL 57 is THE go to fly bridge live aboard/ extended occupancy Med boat at that size range , price point .
Or a 62 early version you might scrape under your budget .
That Dutch thing is useless.
-Steel maintenance.
-No AC
- To much glazing
Here typical example Sanlorenzo 57 Fly, 150.000 € | iNautia.com
Leaves you with a big war chest to fettle it ,
Or a 62 early version you might scrape under your budget .
That Dutch thing is useless.
-Steel maintenance.
-No AC
- To much glazing
Here typical example Sanlorenzo 57 Fly, 150.000 € | iNautia.com
Leaves you with a big war chest to fettle it ,
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MapisM
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Doh! Yeah, it must be the 57.
I often forget her because I prefer the 62 which replaced her, in several ways.
Engines being the main one, since the 57 came either with DD or MAN V10 engines, and I'm not a fan of both.
The 62 came with the MAN V12 instead, which are imho better - and btw, as I was told, the difference in fuel burn is not much.
But there are also other reasons why I'd try to stretch the budget to a 62, if possible.
I often forget her because I prefer the 62 which replaced her, in several ways.
Engines being the main one, since the 57 came either with DD or MAN V10 engines, and I'm not a fan of both.
The 62 came with the MAN V12 instead, which are imho better - and btw, as I was told, the difference in fuel burn is not much.
But there are also other reasons why I'd try to stretch the budget to a 62, if possible.
GravyStain
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Portofino
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Oh yes the 62 s stern is more user friendly, steps down and even the run out modal has a flip up / down bathing platform .
I actually like the older ladder down 57 version as we have a ladder anyhow and it’s nice to climb down and up to the sea .
Good for the ham strings .
.Also the DD s in the older have a alluring appeal can’t quite put my finger on that one .
A different type of boat and would need a different usage pattern from my current .
C pose you just chug along @18 knots , or spend all day @10 ( D speed ) and an last hr at 22 knots or something?? To blow the soot out ?
Higher hrs running less @ anchor / marinas something like that .
But for extended periods semi living , accommodation wise and low ownership costs these older SL s been good .
The saving from a 62 to a 57 would be blown on fuel and berthing , talking 100 s of € K difference.
Infact you could buy 2x 57 s for the price of a better newer 62 .Or the same boats 1/2 price .
westernman
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What would you suggest as a smaller alternative but with spacious accommodation - only 2 comfortable double cabins for Med living?Oh yes the 62 s stern is more user friendly, steps down and even the run out modal has a flip up / down bathing platform .
I actually like the older ladder down 57 version as we have a ladder anyhow and it’s nice to climb down and up to the sea .
Good for the ham strings .
Also the DD s in the older have a alluring appeal can’t quite put my finger on that one .
A different type of boat and would need a different usage pattern from my current .
C pose you just chug along @18 knots , or spend all day @10 ( D speed ) and an last hr at 22 knots or something?? To blow the soot out ?
Higher hrs running less @ anchor / marinas something like that .
But for extended periods semi living , accommodation wise and low ownership costs these older SL s been good .
The saving from a 62 to a 57 would be blown on fuel and berthing , talking 100 s of € K difference.
Infact you could buy 2x 57 s for the price of a better newer 62 .Or the same boats 1/2 price .
No need to go fast.
Portofino
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A SL 15 M .
Here me out folks it’s made of wood but @ 65K euro asking , just mentally write that off as depreciation on any new 15 ish plastic boat .
Then with the rest of the war chest enjoy the inevitable DIY ness of the thing .
If you do get your buy in price back that’s a bonus .
Sanlorenzo SL 15, 65.000 € | iNautia.it
There is a beautiful one in out marina .Family on it every WE in the season .They drive down from Turin - city life circuit breaker for them .
MapisM
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If westernman doesn't mind dealing with wood maintenance, for a top living aboard experience I think that at the moment he would struggle to find anything better than this Maiora.
In fact, at that age/size, Maiora used to build as well if not even better than SLs.
The way the boat was maintained becomes the crucial point, and as I was told this boat is spectacular in this respect.
Not to mention that she's in Sardinia, so conveniently placed in a cruising area which is second to none...
In fact, at that age/size, Maiora used to build as well if not even better than SLs.
The way the boat was maintained becomes the crucial point, and as I was told this boat is spectacular in this respect.
Not to mention that she's in Sardinia, so conveniently placed in a cruising area which is second to none...
silverdee
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Late to this discussion but my 2 pence worth is--
1- Arietta the Hatteras lives a few boats down from my boat on Mole Sud Antibes - but don`t know where when the berth leases revert back to the marina next month! A 20 yr lease there will be the thick end of a million euro but I think its the best base in the Med (cue raging alternate views..)- one can rent annually etc. It was used as a liveaboard by an old chap who sadly passed away circa 18 months or so ago ish. For several years It NEVER had its engines run or went to sea- I think it might have been taken to yard every couple of years by tug for antifoul etc not sure -- so suspect (I only say suspect) major engine room work to replace batteries and much else to get it going.
I think displacement speed boats great for Med and only ever do 10 knots myself.
2- personally wouldn`t have a wooden boat or one without sidedecks (or obviously aircon but that can be fitted).
3- You need to understand the crazy Med prices for Marina/ all things boatyard and maintenance.
4- good luck Zkaliman with your med adventure you will love a 10 hr chug over to Corsica seeing whales etc on the way and you will love Corsica/ Sardinia etc etc even more.
1- Arietta the Hatteras lives a few boats down from my boat on Mole Sud Antibes - but don`t know where when the berth leases revert back to the marina next month! A 20 yr lease there will be the thick end of a million euro but I think its the best base in the Med (cue raging alternate views..)- one can rent annually etc. It was used as a liveaboard by an old chap who sadly passed away circa 18 months or so ago ish. For several years It NEVER had its engines run or went to sea- I think it might have been taken to yard every couple of years by tug for antifoul etc not sure -- so suspect (I only say suspect) major engine room work to replace batteries and much else to get it going.
I think displacement speed boats great for Med and only ever do 10 knots myself.
2- personally wouldn`t have a wooden boat or one without sidedecks (or obviously aircon but that can be fitted).
3- You need to understand the crazy Med prices for Marina/ all things boatyard and maintenance.
4- good luck Zkaliman with your med adventure you will love a 10 hr chug over to Corsica seeing whales etc on the way and you will love Corsica/ Sardinia etc etc even more.
