Chiara’s slave
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My mistake then, I thought that was phase 1 and we were already on phase 2. Shame we are going to have easterlies, I’d go there myself at the weekend.
Studland - MMO Management protocols for the MCZ in place from 17th December
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bignick
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I’m pretty sure that you’re right.May need to update your charts
The question now is whether I want to pay £29 for the privilege of finding out. My Navionics subscription has expired, but everything still works perfectly. The only difference I’m likely to see is the addition of a green line at Studland. Not sure that it is worth it, since a) I know where it is already, b) the line on the chart appears to be almost invisible anyway!!
bignick
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You’re correct , we are in Phase 2, but it still only covers the southern half.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...land_Bay_MCZ_Habitat_Protection_Strategy_.pdf
bignick
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Copyright Marine Management Organization.
Hopefully they won’t mind me publicising the info, so that more people know where the VNAZ actually is !
wonkywinch
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That's because the free mooring icon is a user submitted item (mine in fact), and not part of Navionics mapping
nortada
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BBC 2 Sat 3 Dec 1300 Britain’s Secret Seas Pt 4 - The Bustling South - coverage of seahorses/ealgrass provides the lay viewer with a convincing argument for prohibiting anchoring and mooring buoys in Studland Bay.
Restrictions on dredging for scallops in Lyme is also covered and the program finishes with a dive on the WW1 M2 submarine that started life armed with 12 inch gun but was then converted into an aircraft carrier before being lost at sea with all hands.
Located in Lyme Bay the M2 is designated a military war grave.
HMS M2 (1918) - Wikipedia
Fascinating program.??
Restrictions on dredging for scallops in Lyme is also covered and the program finishes with a dive on the WW1 M2 submarine that started life armed with 12 inch gun but was then converted into an aircraft carrier before being lost at sea with all hands.
Located in Lyme Bay the M2 is designated a military war grave.
HMS M2 (1918) - Wikipedia
Fascinating program.??
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penfold
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How is that then, given the grass coverage is much greater now than it was 70 years ago? It's a travesty founded on no evidence worth a damn.
nortada
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Nevertheless a fascinating program that will convince much of the voting population that boats anchoring/mooring in Studland Bay is not a good thing.
oldharry
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Exactly! We asked that for 10 years at literally hundreds of meetings with the Conservation people and MMO. The reply was invariably along these lines:
"There is no data to substantiate that claim. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficent and therefore not admissable and cannot be taken in to account"
Me: "Ok, here is photographic evidence from 1953, 1972, several from the 1980's, mor from the 1990's, all fo which show the spread of eelgrass across the Bay" This evidence was drawn from a range of sources including more recently Google earth which shows very clearly that in 1953 there was little more than 100 square Metres of growth, and the subsequent spread of grwoth across the bay"
"How do you know that was seagrass, and not loose material floating on the seabed? Was it ground truthed?" They know very well a: the growth patterns accord precisely with that of the eelgrass and b: nobody was carrying out any survey or scientific work before 1996 when an oil survey confirmed the presence but not the extent of seagrass. Not until 2010 was any serious data produced.
That report, published in 2012 (The seastar Survey) provided clear evidence that seagrass growth was NOT affected by anchoring. Hoiwever as it was conducted by an independent organisation NE rubbished it, said the methodolgy was inadequate (even though local NE personnel were directly involved) and the results were flawed therefore inadmissable. In other words it didnt comply with NE agendas.
Curious too that the senior NE person involved (who I had met fairly regularly) was promoted away from the area shortly after.
Without corrobarative data there is 'no evidence' that it has been spreading. Therefore it has not.
oldharry
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Latest report: Studland Bay Marine Partnership
nortada
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You will be aware that from my posts on this subject, I am 100% on your side of the debate.
Unfortunately, the programme in my #126 will carry sway and needs to be refuted. Just preaching to the choir in this forum will not achieve this. Rather offensive action to carry the argument to the masses (voters) is required but I am unsure how to proceed with this
Today Studland/Lyme Bay; tomorrow where next
I wish you well in this.
Unfortunately, the programme in my #126 will carry sway and needs to be refuted. Just preaching to the choir in this forum will not achieve this. Rather offensive action to carry the argument to the masses (voters) is required but I am unsure how to proceed with this
Today Studland/Lyme Bay; tomorrow where next
I wish you well in this.
Pete7
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Fascinating dive too, in about 33m from memory. Aircraft hanger now full of silt sloping up to the roof at the back and the ballast tanks slowly rusting through. Position on the chart is miles off.
nortada
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Studland Bay Marine Partnership
Great read but how far is this publication reaching
Are the popular boating press giving it full coverage with a supporting editorials
Great read but how far is this publication reaching
Are the popular boating press giving it full coverage with a supporting editorials
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penfold
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Ah, I grabbed the wrong end of the stick. I too am dismayed and not optimistic that the new puritans won't get their way and force sack cloth upon yachties; the only positive I can discern is that in the case of us lucky heathens north of the border there are too many anchorages for any practical form of policing right now. The south coast of England has more yachts to potentially fine(more targets) and fewer anchorages(greater target density); where it goes there, may come to us in time even so, especially with drone tech. ☹You will be aware that from my posts on this subject, I am 100% on your side of the debate.
Unfortunately, the programme in my #126 will carry sway and needs to be refuted. Just preaching to the choir in this forum will not achieve this. Rather offensive action to carry the argument to the masses (voters) is required but I am unsure how to proceed with this
Today Studland/Lyme Bay; tomorrow where next
I wish you well in this.
chrishscorp
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I have not watched this programme yet, but if it is unbalanced and factually incorrect then a healthy batch of letters and emails in to BBC complaints on the complete unbalanced article may at least fire a warning shot to the Luvvies, they may be less inclined to cover the subject again or indeed take a look at what Old Harry is putting forward.
oldharry
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Sadly Beeb is not interested in the science or the facts. They have consistently swallowed the line taken by Packham, Humble et al that we yotties are only concerned with the pursuit of our sport, regardless of the cost and damage we apparently do to the environment.
When a large number of us, including many from this parish, objected to Packham's programme about Studland starring NGM, on regional Tv 8 or so years ago their response was to rebroadcast it on National Tv 3 months later.
The Press are no better: local and National Press just love headlines about wealthy yotties destroying the environment. NGM cashed in on this in a big way and consistently sabotaged any attempt by RYA and BORG to reach any sort of agreement on the way forward. I soin discivered that if we put anything to NGM, within a week or two there would be another vitriolic attack on the boating community in the local and sometimes national press, who just lapped it up.
I didn't have to watch the porogramme to know what line it would take, and I was right. All the old lies in much the same package.
But it makes for good viewing figures. Thats all the programme makers seem interested in.
When a large number of us, including many from this parish, objected to Packham's programme about Studland starring NGM, on regional Tv 8 or so years ago their response was to rebroadcast it on National Tv 3 months later.
The Press are no better: local and National Press just love headlines about wealthy yotties destroying the environment. NGM cashed in on this in a big way and consistently sabotaged any attempt by RYA and BORG to reach any sort of agreement on the way forward. I soin discivered that if we put anything to NGM, within a week or two there would be another vitriolic attack on the boating community in the local and sometimes national press, who just lapped it up.
I didn't have to watch the porogramme to know what line it would take, and I was right. All the old lies in much the same package.
But it makes for good viewing figures. Thats all the programme makers seem interested in.
doug748
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Amen to all that.
The BBC tends to give uncritical support to questions dear to them, for their own unspecified social reasons . Once you start to accept anecdote, untruths and innuendo as fact because it suits, your credibility is on the skids. The BBC has been on this decline for some time
They tend to side with pressure groups or act as an organ of Government policy for their own unspecified social reasons, they would be quick enough to inspect both sides of the question for one of it's more treasured causes.
The BBC tends to give uncritical support to questions dear to them, for their own unspecified social reasons . Once you start to accept anecdote, untruths and innuendo as fact because it suits, your credibility is on the skids. The BBC has been on this decline for some time
They tend to side with pressure groups or act as an organ of Government policy for their own unspecified social reasons, they would be quick enough to inspect both sides of the question for one of it's more treasured causes.
wonkywinch
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I see the MMO have opened a survey to canvas views on the VNAZ (open from 9 December 2022 to 20 January 2023).
Studland Bay Voluntary No Anchor Zone - 2022 Review
Studland Bay Voluntary No Anchor Zone - 2022 Review
Boathook
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Beaten to it.
I used the survey to have a 'dig' at the mmo and that the seagrass has done very well over the years without their fiddling in the area.
SaltyC
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So, very cynically, the agenda will be reported as 'Eel grass doing well since introducing no anchor zone.
Any factual evidence of 'no changes ' to the Eel grass will be dismissed and the tree huggers with their personal agendas ( surname Packham) will be promoted.
Sorry, I do not believe you can stop the autocratic juggernaut. I have spent 4 years fighting illogical injustice in the public sector beaurocracy, they employ many administrators to enforce random procedural deadlines designed to sideline the facts andto dismiss any complaints.