Starter motor removal Princess 360 with 63P.

[oldgit]

Relay clicks on but starter would not turn.
Went through the usual checks . It was of course the engine on the starboard side.
It was going to have to come out and you can hardly see the perishing thing.
Providing you remove all the stuff in the way ,airbox/ oil breather ? pipes etc and cut the cable ties holding all the cooling pipes obstructing access, eventually you can actually see the starter.
Next you fit your 6ft long articulated arm (just one will do) and your eye ball extention leads and remove all the electrical wiring from starter and push it out the way.
This only leaves three bolts to try to undo .What possibly be simpler than that.
Access to all is impeded by various bits of the engine and starter motor castings , ensuring that only tiny movements of a ring spanner are possible if and when you can get it on the nut.
Sockets.....you must joking no room.
Volvo Penta also must have special nuts made to secure the motor, suspect about 50% Plasticine.
Anywho after you do get the nuts off off one flat at a time you might find the motor refusing to budge. A few taps with a 10Ib flogging hammer will cure this.
In order not the crush the oil dipstick tube handily positioned immediately under the starter motor, good idea to put a rope around the starter body and get willing volunteer to take the weight while the other chap manoeuvres the blimming thing to the rear of the engine in order to extract it.
Volvo Paul you certainly earn you money.
Ps. One will of course remember to take photos of which wires go where on the solenoid.
The owner of the boat did comment that one reason he bought the P360 was because of the space in the front of the engine to allowing servicing access, he had previously looked at a Phantom and ran away shaking after looking into the engine compartment.
If you think thats bad, have look at the 63 P impeller location, add a rolling sea and the only access over a red hot engine.
Now on its way to a local lorry motor factor for examination. Replacement unit remarkably cheap. (Not VP )

 

[Momac]

Replacement unit remarkably cheap. (Not VP )

After all that effort you will not be happy if the starter motor isn't faulty. I removed a starter motor with similar difficulty only to later find a corroded ad loose connection to a starter relay.
I expect the starter is not Volvo Penta branded - possibly Valeo .

Not really Volvo's fault if the boat builder provides insufficient space for maintenance. Out-drive boats often have better engine bay access. However I suspect one starter motor or the other is liable to be a pig to reach on most boats .

 

[Nauti Fox]

Relay clicks on but starter would not turn.
Went through the usual checks . It was of course the engine on the starboard side.
It was going to have to come out and you can hardly see the perishing thing.
Providing you remove all the stuff in the way ,airbox/ oil breather ? pipes etc and cut the cable ties holding all the cooling pipes obstructing access, eventually you can actually see the starter.
Next you fit your 6ft long articulated arm (just one will do) and your eye ball extention leads and remove all the electrical wiring from starter and push it out the way.
This only leaves three bolts to try to undo .What possibly be simpler than that.
Access to all is impeded by various bits of the engine and starter motor castings , ensuring that only tiny movements of a ring spanner are possible if and when you can get it on the nut.
Sockets.....you must joking no room.
Volvo Penta also must have special nuts made to secure the motor, suspect about 50% Plasticine.
Anywho after you do get the nuts off off one flat at a time you might find the motor refusing to budge. A few taps with a 10Ib flogging hammer will cure this.
In order not the crush the oil dipstick tube handily positioned immediately under the starter motor, good idea to put a rope around the starter body and get willing volunteer to take the weight while the other chap manoeuvres the blimming thing to the rear of the engine in order to extract it.
Volvo Paul you certainly earn you money.
Ps. One will of course remember to take photos of which wires go where on the solenoid.
The owner of the boat did comment that one reason he bought the P360 was because of the space in the front of the engine to allowing servicing access, he had previously looked at a Phantom and ran away shaking after looking into the engine compartment.
If you think thats bad, have look at the 63 P impeller location, add a rolling sea and the only access over a red hot engine.
Now on its way to a local lorry motor factor for examination. Replacement unit remarkably cheap. (Not VP )

Another day living the dream.....

 

[volvopaul]

Relay clicks on but starter would not turn.
Went through the usual checks . It was of course the engine on the starboard side.
It was going to have to come out and you can hardly see the perishing thing.
Providing you remove all the stuff in the way ,airbox/ oil breather ? pipes etc and cut the cable ties holding all the cooling pipes obstructing access, eventually you can actually see the starter.
Next you fit your 6ft long articulated arm (just one will do) and your eye ball extention leads and remove all the electrical wiring from starter and push it out the way.
This only leaves three bolts to try to undo .What possibly be simpler than that.
Access to all is impeded by various bits of the engine and starter motor castings , ensuring that only tiny movements of a ring spanner are possible if and when you can get it on the nut.
Sockets.....you must joking no room.
Volvo Penta also must have special nuts made to secure the motor, suspect about 50% Plasticine.
Anywho after you do get the nuts off off one flat at a time you might find the motor refusing to budge. A few taps with a 10Ib flogging hammer will cure this.
In order not the crush the oil dipstick tube handily positioned immediately under the starter motor, good idea to put a rope around the starter body and get willing volunteer to take the weight while the other chap manoeuvres the blimming thing to the rear of the engine in order to extract it.
Volvo Paul you certainly earn you money.
Ps. One will of course remember to take photos of which wires go where on the solenoid.
The owner of the boat did comment that one reason he bought the P360 was because of the space in the front of the engine to allowing servicing access, he had previously looked at a Phantom and ran away shaking after looking into the engine compartment.
If you think thats bad, have look at the 63 P impeller location, add a rolling sea and the only access over a red hot engine.
Now on its way to a local lorry motor factor for examination. Replacement unit remarkably cheap. (Not VP )

I earn my money because (sometimes) I know how to attack a job .
Ive read the post , if it had been me I’d have removed the heat exchanger then the intercooler about a 1 hour task then you get great access to the starter , there you go . Piece of pi55 as they say .
oh and while the heat exchanger is off the impeller is also a piece of ..... yes you get it now

 

[oldgit]

Have always thought that the next bigger newer more modern boat would mean easier access to everything, the designers having learnt from previous mistakes.
The same boat developed a fault today in the domestic waterpump, microswitch not switching off and pressurising the system causing the calorifier relief valve to constantly vent.
Simple job on my boat, water pump in plain sight and simple job to remove and replace switch.
Youve guessed it, on his boat, you can just see the pump buried behind other stuff. Poss fuel filter and copper piping for genny.
A little slot to work through, left him dismantling stuff to get to pump.

 

[oldgit]

After all that effort you will not be happy if the starter motor isn't faulty. I removed a starter motor with similar difficulty only to later find a corroded ad loose connection to a starter relay.
I expect the starter is not Volvo Penta branded - possibly Valeo .

Not really Volvo's fault if the boat builder provides insufficient space for maintenance. Out-drive boats often have better engine bay access. However I suspect one starter motor or the other is liable to be a pig to reach on most boats .

First check with starter removed was to directly connect to batteries with a set of jumper cables .
Relay clicks but zilch else. Due to Covid boat had not been started for months
Starter is maybe the original and never been off. Original very faded green paint and no sign of recoating or overspray or spanner work on nuts.
Boat is 2008 so 20 years and 600 hours was not bad going it also boasts that Marmite interior.

 

[Momac]

Boat is 2008 so 20 years and 600 hours was not bad going it also boasts that Marmite interior.

Maybe that's 1998? I assume you refer to the puke wood interior?
600 hours is not a lot but , as you no doubt know, lack of use is not good thing.

 

[oldgit]

Maybe that's 1998? I assume you refer to the puke wood interior?
600 hours is not a lot but , as you no doubt know, lack of use is not good thing.

Sorry yes 1998. Have amended.
Seriously considering going a bit bigger , bit more speed and more interior space, but virtually everything in the size range powered by the Volvo 60/70 series and no room to get at stuff without in some cases dismantling the saloon.