Standing on

enjoy it while you can.15years down the line, fuel will be rationed either by diktat or price. motor boats will be electric, you will be the next target for greenpeace, if the raggies think they are green just compare their vw diesel car at 45mpg against their 20hp boat
at maybe half that on the water. actual mpg details for a 10m sailing boat ,allowing of course for wind ,tide and vanity would be appreciated.
 
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actual mpg details for a 10m sailing boat ,allowing of course for wind ,tide and vanity would be appreciated.

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The MPG for a 10m sailing boat is infinity.
 
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How do you reckon you are stand on vessel??? Sureley the vessel coming opposite direction to you is also stand on vessel assuming you all understand the colregs you will both pass port to port!!... If I am motoring against you at 5kts and you are doing 20kts I will just have to accept your wash...the decent thing to do would be to slow down to reduce your wash to an acceptable level but to be honest I would not expect such gratitude from a mobo!!

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?? Sorry to argue but both are NOT stand-on vessels if both under power and approaching each other end on or near end on. BOTH are give-way vessels. Rules are clear that both alter to starboard to pass port to port. Rules also make no reference to speed in this situation unless one is going to cross the path of the other such that risk of collision exists and speed alteration is deemed best.
In real practical terms - sorry Daka - but if I see a
Mobo approaching as you say - regardless of whether I can carry on - I slow down from my leisurely 5kts and let the guy through - so I don't have to worry about what he does or doesn't do !! Having had incidents where guys at speed have then decided to carve a different course after a gap / channel etc. causing me to take avoiding action - I now play safe .... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Arrrrr ... so you are arriving SAME side of gap as other guy, now this can be interesting as :

a) No subsequent change of angles or situation relieves an Overtaking vessel of it's obligations to keep clear until well past and clear - taking your diagram I would take a liberty here and assume you were overtaking vessel ... as very few boats approach the gap as that raggie is ... unless he's made leeway / drift south and had to turn up to correct .... meaning that you were likely the overtaking vessel ! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

or if approaching each other fwd of the required 22.5 deg abaft beam of other craft and if on his stbd side - he should alter / slow down to pass astern of you EXCEPT if he's under sail and you keep clear of him ... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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If you are the vessel being overtaken, then surely you must maintain both course and speed , therefore it is up to overtaking boat to adjust speed accordingly.

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Until it is deemed action of give-way vessel alone is insufficient to avoid collision. (That section of rules occupied a large amount time of the IMO committee when proposed in the late 60's early 70's ! )
 
I'm surprised that you are even aware of your wash ! - most stickpotters aren't - and not knowing anything about the location you mention (thankfully SAIL a long way from there) slowing down off the plane makes more wash !
 
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..Rules also make no reference to speed in this situation...

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Rule 6 applies to every vessel and at all times.

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Ok - split hairs ... but I was referring generally to the guys post saying that one is stand-on etc. Vessels meeting end on or near end on are not generally expected to slow or speed up as the rule says each shall alter course to starboard to pass port to port.
Rule 6 would normally not be needed.
 
So lets look exactly what we have learnt from these threads /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

It is alright for small sailing boat out on a jolly to stand on to a container ship as it is their perceived right...........the fact that the ship is carrying vital medical supplies/parts for thousands of people including earth quake/famine and other disasters you don't care

The Pride of Bilbao has children with seasickness desperate for land, but so what , it is your right to delay them....

but once the boot is on the other foot and it is your turn to slow down and deviate for three or four minutes it is considered

rude
arrogant
selfish


I hope I have said enough for you to remove the blinkers and think before you steam into battle zones.

Anyone that actually read my posts would have understood my current practise is to wait, not to avoid a dangerous situation but just to avoid a close wash situation.

This is technically in breach of col regs which require me to hold course and speed expecting the yachts to alter their course and speed.

right or wrong ?
 
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The purpose of the ColRegs is about 'Preventing Collisions At Sea'. It is not about "After you, Claude" courtesy, but about preventing loss of life and property by means of an internationally-agreed set of predictable behaviours for predictable circumstances.

There are times when it is courteous, sensible and practicable for a sailing yacht to manoeuvre so as to avoid impeding another vessel, and times when it is more likely to confuse and perhaps create more risk of collision than otherwise. Surely it is a central part of our responsibility to use our knowledge and judgement to put our and others' safety beyond question?

I have, on occasion and under sail, moved just out of the designated channel below Liverpool to facilitate the safe acceleration of the SuperSeaCat down the channel - and made it plain I had done so - as a courtesy. On encountering multiple merchant-ship 'manoeuvring situations' while crossing the Channel outside the Off Casquets TSS, I have turned 90º to present port-to-port for some, and stood on for others, where judgement dictated the best/safest solution of the moment. On seeking to cross the long and very busy approach channel to Boulogne, I have kept clear and parallel to the channel, and even turned 180º away for a minute of three, to make my intentions completely clear to the bridge-teams on multiple converging ferries.

On each occasion I have tried to understand the others' intentions and constraints, and tried to make mine plain and predictable. On every occasion, it has been about what is safest for my vessel, before thoughts of "After you, Claude". Who said it was supposed to be easy....?

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What emotive nonsense Daka! There was quite a bit of discussion over the "standing -on" when crossing traffic lanes and there was a large proportion (including myself) that felt that the wide turning circles, long stopping distances of big ships in traffic zones made them "vessels restricted in their ability to manouvre". MOST leisure boats will pass astern rather than standing on across the bows.

As already said, it's all about courtesy. Thro reading the MoBo forum I have learned a lot about the issues MoBo'ers face & become more understanding & tolerant of them. In most cases, this has been reciprocated on the briny.

Your attitude makes me feel it's all a waste of time, some people are just hell bent on causing trouble, no matter how difficult it is to set it up. But I refuse to drop to your level, I will not try to wind others up, I will continue to show constraint & courtesy to others. Perhaps it is time you tried this, it is very rewarding & far less stressfull than always trying "to get one-up" on the world.

On a Forum, as in life, trying to score points off others doesn't get you credits, it just makes you look a sad individual that lacks self-esteem. So it goes.
 
Searush,

I really can't believe that you and others on here give this trolling little stinky (or should that be stinky little troll) the satisfaction of believing that you take him seriously.

- W
 
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Sailing wasn't an issue in this thread as both boats were under power.

Remember, compared to a "ship is carrying vital medical supplies/parts for thousands of people including earth quake/famine and other disasters" and "The Pride of Bilbao" you are "only a small motor boat out on a jolly".
 
It doesn't look like the trolls are going to let us conclude this debate.

As soon as their perceived freedom of the seas looks threatened they scream Troll to hide behind.

Seasrush, I am reassured and encouraged by your post you appear to be in a minority on this forum in that you do not always stand on.
I feel the tone was a little abrasive , if you had read all my posts you would have realised that I do slow down.

I was merely requesting that when convenient yachts could abide by the col regs and let us pass by at speed and at a safe distance , otherwise I feel I have to slow down to reduce the wash you are about to motor into.

others took on board what I was trying to put across.

This is not really a sail/power issue as we are both under power, there is no need to be so defensive.


I have other questions I wish to post but with trolls wrecking threads I do not feel now is the right time so I shall leave you all in peace (until the next time I am invited back ) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Happy safe sailing to all.

Pete
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