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From the outside! Andy and the boys (let's call them the A team.) are looking for a cheap new boat (let's call it a 2nd class boat). The RNLI have a boat (I would say the best available, 1st class?). They are now looking for a crew, (the B team?). Fortunately the RNLI have £7m of Jersey money to spend. It seems to me the service the RNLI are going to provide, although morally unsound, will be superior to Andy and the boys.
Allan
 
Allan said:
From the outside! Andy and the boys (let's call them the A team.) are looking for a cheap new boat (let's call it a 2nd class boat). The RNLI have a boat (I would say the best available, 1st class?). They are now looking for a crew, (the B team?). Fortunately the RNLI have £7m of Jersey money to spend. It seems to me the service the RNLI are going to provide, although morally unsound, will be superior to Andy and the boys.
Allan
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Does Jersey culture recognize the concept of scabbing?
 
Allan said:
From the outside! Andy and the boys (let's call them the A team.) are looking for a cheap new boat (let's call it a 2nd class boat). The RNLI have a boat (I would say the best available, 1st class?). They are now looking for a crew, (the B team?). Fortunately the RNLI have £7m of Jersey money to spend. It seems to me the service the RNLI are going to provide, although morally unsound, will be superior to Andy and the boys.
Allan
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Humm might suggest that the Team is more important than the appliance supplied to do the job
 
Allan said:
From the outside! Andy and the boys (let's call them the A team.) are looking for a cheap new boat (let's call it a 2nd class boat). The RNLI have a boat (I would say the best available, 1st class?). They are now looking for a crew, (the B team?). Fortunately the RNLI have £7m of Jersey money to spend. It seems to me the service the RNLI are going to provide, although morally unsound, will be superior to Andy and the boys.
Allan
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I reckon it is easier for an existing motivated crew (plus 'backroom' network) to obtain a decent lifeboat than it is for a first class lifeboat and station building (and nothing else) to find a complete crew.
You can buy a boat but you cannot just buy skilled volunteers especially in circumstances where the seeking organisation is in bad odour (rightly or wrongly) and where you would be going against your own people.
 
JumbleDuck said:
I thought it was the now-departed harbourmaster with whom they fell out.
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They fell out with the previous harbour master in addition to the Jersey CG, not instead of. The CG asked them to take a casualty to a port they felt was dangerous. They took the casualty elsewhere and made some kind of formal complaint against the CG. The CG in question was an ex RNLI crew member. Hibbs' supporters are quite scathing about him on FB.
 
Mark-1 said:
They fell out with the previous harbour master in addition to the Jersey CG, not instead of. The CG asked them to take a casualty to a port they felt was dangerous. They took the casualty elsewhere and made some kind of formal complaint against the CG. The CG in question was an ex RNLI crew member. Hibbs' supporters are quite scathing about him on FB.
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Sounds like this Hibbs is a law unto himself. Definitely needs removing.
As soon as a decent cox can be found there is a chance that a couple of crew will follow- possibly crew that have fallen out with Hibbs in the past. Then a few from the Hibbs side will follow when they see that they are unable to do any volunteer work any more.
The CG would find it difficult to ignore the RNLI once it had a working crew & Hibbs would be sidelined even more. End of.
 
Daydream believer said:
Sounds like this Hibbs is a law unto himself. Definitely needs removing.
As soon as a decent cox can be found there is a chance that a couple of crew will follow- possibly crew that have fallen out with Hibbs in the past. Then a few from the Hibbs side will follow when they see that they are unable to do any volunteer work any more.
The CG would find it difficult to ignore the RNLI once it had a working crew & Hibbs would be sidelined even more. End of.
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If you were right, surely the crew and locals would never have supported him, when your team stands with you in this type of situation they are giving their judgement and who will know him better, them or you?
 
Quandary said:
If you were right, surely the crew and locals would never have supported him, when your team stands with you in this type of situation they are giving their judgement and who will know him better, them or you?
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Trouble is that whilst he is there - right or wrong- he will be a block to any amicable solution. He needs to be removed from the equation otherwise he will be "lording it" for ever & no one will be able to exercise control over him. he will just be a thorn in RNLI's management's side & they will never be able to assert authority.

Removing the lifeboat was possibly a good move- if he fails in his attempts to start an alternative service. If he succeeds he will only do so for a while ( he cannot do it for ever) then the RNLI will be able to return & get on with the job.
 
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Daydream believer said:
Trouble is that whilst he is there - right or wrong- he will be a block to any amicable solution. He needs to be removed from the equation otherwise he will be "lording it" for ever & no one will be able to exercise control over him. he will just be a thorn in RNLI's management's side & they will never be able to assert authority.

Removing the lifeboat was possibly a good move- if he fails in his attempts to start an alternative service. If he succeeds he will only do so for a while ( he cannot do it for ever) then the RNLI will be able to return & get on with the job.
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Why do you say independent services cannot last?

Many of the 65 in the UK are over 50 years old, and doing very well, thank you.

It is the RNLI who "lord it" over people, including threatening to sue independents for using the word "lifeboat".

When I was coordinating SAR, if a lifeboat coxswain told me the port of destination I'd suggested (not demanded) was not the best, I'd have followed their call every time - after all, they have the liability. For any coastguard to do the opposite is foolish in the extreme.
 
Daydream believer said:
Trouble is that whilst he is there - right or wrong- he will be a block to any amicable solution. He needs to be removed from the equation otherwise he will be "lording it" for ever & no one will be able to exercise control over him. he will just be a thorn in RNLI's management's side & they will never be able to assert authority.

Removing the lifeboat was possibly a good move- if he fails in his attempts to start an alternative service. If he succeeds he will only do so for a while ( he cannot do it for ever) then the RNLI will be able to return & get on with the job.
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Humm guess that you were a Management Man in you working life, suggest that operations like that of the RNLI are much more Bottom Up services where the real skills and abilities are where the Volunteer Men Women are not where the Directors and Middle Men or even the Coastguard and Harbour Master are. They are quite ancillary to the Life Saving operation they support the Volunteers, or should so do.
If the RNLI hierarchy went to night what would the result be ?
 
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