prv
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I am not sure that is true.
I am sure that it is not true
Trying to educate Viago is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. It's hard work, achieves nothing, and after a few hours you realise the pig is enjoying it.
Pete
SSR - Should I renew?
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I am sure that it is not true
Trying to educate Viago is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. It's hard work, achieves nothing, and after a few hours you realise the pig is enjoying it.
Pete
jerrytug
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I am sure that it is not true
Trying to educate Viago is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. It's hard work, achieves nothing, and after a few hours you realise the pig is enjoying it.
Pete
Then you remember bacon, chops, sausages, and smile! Trolling conspiracy theorists suck the lifeblood out of every internet discussion, it's the only place they can get answers rather than a knuckle sandwich.
VicS
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and knew what you were trying to teach it anyway.
viago
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I am sure that it is not true
Trying to educate Viago is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. It's hard work, achieves nothing, and after a few hours you realise the pig is enjoying it.
Pete
trying to educate you is a tough ask as you think you know everything already.
i note that we see the traditional grouping of the clan just as soon as someone dares to question their long held and certain understandings.
the fact that no-one has engaged with the points i raise about definitions seems like proof to me that facing the possibility that you might be under massive misapprehensions is more than you are able to tolerate.
if you man up a touch, actually quite a lot, and enter into debate instead of joining in this sheep like attack you might just learn something.
Rigger Mortice
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Read the regs which were posted earlier. Unless your boat is registered elsewhere then yes, it comes under the Merchant Shipping Act.
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cliff
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Yea, right, and Bills of sale are impossible to forge (how many have been "made" to cover the VAT issues or replace "lost" ones. In my case both the bills of sale and the SSR agree on owners details so one backs up the other but if you don't want to renew then don't, personally I'll maintain her registration (I like the lowish number compared with what is issued now)
jerrytug
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Try 00102! You sprogs
viago
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thank you rigger, i didn't expect some semi polite sense to come from you but wonders will never cease.
well i have read the act now and am more confused. the act does not clarify what is meant by ship.
that is what i have been trying to find out here. not that i want to fly blue red or white flags, but as a matter of interest.
if, under maritime/admiralty law "ship" means anything that can point and float then i am wrong and non commercial vessels are subject to it's edicts.
if people dont feel up to engaging sensibly with me why dont they just have the courtesy to feck off.
pmagowan
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Merchant Shipping Act 1995, section 313 of which includes the words
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]"‘ship’ includes every description of vessel used in navigation"
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VicS
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Now you will probably be asked how "vessel" and "navigation" are defined
pmagowan
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I think they just use the dictionary for that. The term 'ship' comes under the section rather helpfully titled 'definitions'.
VicS
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The term 'ship' comes under the section rather helpfully titled 'definitions'.
Yes I found it earlier.
pmagowan
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It's funny Viago couldn't.
lustyd
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No, it's to wear the national ensign, with the ensign of the country you're visiting on the starboard spreader. This is not the Union Flag but rather the red ensign unless you have a reason to fly the blue, white or defaced ensigns. The devon flag simply indicates a lack of knowledge, so you may find it helps to keep people away from you when out sailing. For what it's worth, the devon flag could easily be raised on the port spreader if you wish to show allegiance - I do this with the St Piran one so everyone knows I'm Cornish. It surprises me but I've never sailed anywhere and not seen at least one other boat with the Cornish flag up, and I've sailed in a lot of places!
lustyd
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I'm sure he could if he tried, but probably didn't try because reading large legal documents is tedious at the best of times. Unfortunately he also doesn't want to listen to advice so the process of learning appears to have stalled
pmagowan
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I'm sure he could if he tried, but probably didn't try because reading large legal documents is tedious at the best of times. Unfortunately he also doesn't want to listen to advice so the process of learning appears to have stalled
I only take him at his word:
Tranona
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Not sure why you have so much difficulty with the definitions in the Act. They are crystal clear, well established and robust.
There is nothing to stop you from flying any flag (except those that require a permit) nor compulsion to fly a flag at all when in UK waters if you are in a vessel that meets the definition in the Act. When you enter foreign waters you are required to identify the nationality of your boat and for a British registered ship this is the Red Ensign or acceptable alternative ensign for which you have a permit.
So, no basis for any discussion or argument, which is perhaps why your contributions were of no value.
prv
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How's the mud today, boys? 
Pete
Pete
pmagowan
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richardabeattie
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I am the OP. I got a good answer to my question about five pages back. (i.e. keep my £25 for something more useful). I've no idea why the thread drift has generated so much heat!
