Spinnaker guy attachment.

[chappy]

My spinnaker set up on my boat has two sheets, obviously one will be for the working guy & the other will be for the working sheet.
I have two blocks near the stern of the boat,( one on either side ) for the working sheet to go through then on to the winch.
The problem is the working guy, i have read this needs to go through a block ahead of the cockpit then on to a winch, but i have no block hear, could you get away with it if you put the guy through the stern block, the same position as the working sheet but obviously the guy will be on the other side, or is that what a lot of you do anyway.
Any tips would be great, thanks.
Dave.

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[yoda]

Dave

Just to clarify, do you have one rope on each side which becomes the sheet or guy depending on which gybe you are on? If so then you can probably get away without anything else except that on a close reach you will find the lead of the guy tends to bend in the stanchions. You can reduce this problem by using a snatch block to the toerail or by rigging a barber hauler which is let free on the lee side and pulled tight on the windward side. I have the same arrangement on by 30ft Pioneer and have managed quite happily for many years. If you have twin sheets and guys (two ropes on each side) then you need a different lead for the guy and thsi would normally be about midships to give the best lead from the pole when on a close reach. Hope that helps.

Yoda

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[chappy]

Hi yoda.
Yes i do mean one rope on each side, my two stern blocks are on the toe rail, when you mean lead of the guy do you mean one of the stern blocks, i am not sure what you mean about on a close reach, i thought that is when you are beating to windward, i will be on a broad reach or a run when i have my spinnaker up, unless there is a term for a close reach with a spinnaker up?
where abouts would you on the toerail put the snatch blocks, & is this realy needed, as it seems the owners who had the boat before never had one?


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[Stork_III]

I use a webbing loop through the toe rail to attach a running block about midships for the guys, exact position to give best lead to winch or turning block.

Make the webbing loop from 25 mm webbing, formed in a circle, stitched in the centre to form 2 eyes, about 200 mm overall when stitched. Pass webbing through toe rail gap then one eye through the other and pull tight, gives an eye for attaching a block via shackle or similar. Permanently rigged, piece of shock cord onto guard rail keeps it off the deck. Webbing loops much kinder than shackle direct to toe rail, will last 2-3 years before replacement needed.

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[Colinl]

There is a PDF file on the Selden site <A target="_blank" HREF=http://seldenmast.com/download.cfm?download=7422&webnode_id=2099&filename=595-560.pdf>Here</A>
Its a large file takes a while to load or download if you are using a 56k modem but worth it. Save it to your computer so you can use it anytime you want.

Colin

Hope this html thing works.

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[Colinl]

It didn't work!!! any body able to help me put a link in a post?

Thanks

Colin

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[FullCircle]

try here, nice diagram....
and then google with spinnaker setup


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[Talbot]

Full instructions for flying spinnakers and getting the rigging right is <A target="_blank" HREF=http://seldenmast.com/download.cfm?download=7422&webnode_id=2099&filename=595-560.pdf>here</A> but you really need broadband to download the pdf file.

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[William_H]

The short answer to your question is that the pulleys at the stern canb be used for both guy and sheet. Thats what I do however on a 21 fter with smallish spinnacker. (It gets severe punishing with wind often foreward of beam for short periods.) That I call a shy spin run. When the pole is on the forestay you do not have much purchase to pull the pole back. Some people use a barber hauler type pulley on the sheet (one on eachy sheet) tied to a rope going to another pulley on the toe rail abeam the mast then back to a cleat. When the sheet is used as a guy the rope on the pulley is pulled tight to bring the guy through the pulley on the toe rail abeam the mast. When the sheet is used as a sheet this rope is released so that the pulley on the sheet rises up and does not interfere with the operation of the sheet from stern pulley to spin clew. The down side to this is that often the sheet does not run freely through the pulley especially when retrieving the spinnacker as I do into the main cabin hatch.
My own solution is to use two down hauls for the pole (to the pole end) one each side running through a pulley on the toe rail about 1/3 distance from bow to abeam mast then back to the cockpit. This gives great power to the down haul and it can be used to give more pull back when the pole is on the forestay. A bonus to this system is that I have knots in the down haul (sometimes called kickers) which limits the skyward motion of the pole if it becomes un cleated. The down side is that you have to connect the new downhaul each time you jibe. I think the trick with spinnackers is to try all sorts of methods until you find one that works for you. My method is different to a lot of coleagues however it works as we are currently averaging 3 spinnacker hoists per race with one or 2 races per week. ( did I mention 9 starts this season with 9 first over the line in division 3) We had 14 starters last Friday night in the first night race 6.30 Pm to 10 PM sun goes down about 7PM. I wish all my forum friends could teleport here to share the sailing. Any way enough I will only upset people regards will
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[chappy]

did you say you can or you cant, i,m afriad i am still a bit confused, can anyone still help me with this question? if you do have a pulley for the guy forward of the cockpit what does this achieve? & can i still get away with useing the pulleys at the stern for the guy & sheet?

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[charles_reed]

It all depends

on how large your spinnaker is and whether or not you're on a dead run or reaching as to where your guy-block goes.

Most little boats, like dinghies use the windward sheet as the guy, which is quite OK, IMHO, on spis up to 40m2 and for running.

If you've got a larger spi and want greater control, by all means incorporate guys. For reaching the blocks for these need to be forward of the mast-step - I use my slotted toe-rail and the Barton snatch blocks.

I suspect your spi is smaller then 40m2 and I'd advise against having guys mainly because of the additional complications and vast numbers of ropes you end up with in the cockpit. I sail single handed and use the GP spi quite a lot so just about manage to cope without ending up like an oven-ready turkey.

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[charles_reed]

Short answer

Yes you can.

The guy only comes into it's own when the wind is forward of 140/ 220 degrees, and on big chutes it increases your ability to keep it under control.

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[Jeremy_W]

I'd recommend you read "This Is Downwind Sailing". It shows how all the bits of string work together whether you have separate sheets and guys or just one rope either side: FWIW I think you should Keep It Simple Stupid with fewer ropes to tangle in the cockpit.



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[Stork_III]

With Dip Pole Gybing, two sheets/side are generally recommended.

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[yoda]

Close reach = wind about 90 degrees from the bow.

Close reaching is about as close to the wind as you can sail with the spinnaker up. Tends to be come quite difficult at this point. From what you have added the answer to your question is just use the sheet / guy as they are at the moment. A good book on downwind sailing would be well worth a read before you do anything. A picture paints a thousand words!

Yoda

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[William_H]

Hello Chappy yes you can as others have said for smaller spinackers and thats what I do. Some small dinghys in out club use a "sky hook." just a nylon hook on the gunwhale near abeam the mast you just hook the sheet (now brace) under it. You could use one of those blocks (snatch block?) with one side open so the rope can be tucked under the sheave or you could use a block on the brace (one each side) on a pendant so you can pull it down when you want. If you only use spin in light winds (any sane sailor) then just use the blocks at the stern. will

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[chappy]

Thanks for all your replys, they have been a great help.
Chappy.

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[Jeremy_W]

>>> With Dip Pole Gybing, two sheets/side are generally recommended.

Indeed, but based on the questioner's size of yacht and nature of question I consider dip-poling rather ambitious. Every correctly set race course should include at least one spinnaker gybe. At the opposite extreme I know cruising yachts which gybe a spinnaker about once a decade!

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[Colinl]

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[Colinl]

Re: test

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