Southerly 100...it can float in a pond, but can it cross the pond?

[dancrane]

Just received an email from YBW...Southerly 100 for sale, £25,000. Looks nice. Just one minor difficulty...

...it's in Guatemala.

I expect she was sailed across the Atlantic, but how happy would anyone be, bringing her back?

How much would you add to the modest asking price, to have a ten-metre yacht shipped home as deck cargo?

 

[Stork_III]

£8K for shipping plus £7K VAT. plus RCD compliance costs.

 

[dancrane]

Cripes! Starts to make the same boat at £40K in an Itchenor mud-berth, look very appealing.

 

[colhel]

An Atlantic crossing in my opinion is more to do with the quality of the crew rather than the boat.

 

[Tranona]

£8K for shipping plus £7K VAT. plus RCD compliance costs.

No need for RCD as the boat was built in the EEA. Doubt you would get direct shipment from Guatemala for £8k.

Sailing back would be feasible if is in good condition but still not an economic proposition.

 

[maby]

Shane Acton sailed a 6m Caprice right round the world, so yes, it is quite possible. Quite demanding, though, and, as others have said, by the time you've paid all the taxes and made it legal, it is questionable if it's worth it.

 

[JumbleDuck]

No need for RCD as the boat was built in the EEA.

Might not Southerly build to non-RCD standards for overseas sales? Wouldn't they have to if the boat was supplied to the US, say, originally?

 

[Gordonmc]

Might not Southerly build to non-RCD standards for overseas sales? Wouldn't they have to if the boat was supplied to the US, say, originally?

Its flying a red duster so the likelyhood is that she was sailed across and is still UK registered.
RCD might not be a problem, therefore, but a sale in Guatemala would mean she would be liable for VAT on re-entry to the EU.

 

[Gerry]

Just received an email from YBW...Southerly 100 for sale, £25,000. Looks nice. Just one minor difficulty...

...it's in Guatemala.

I expect she was sailed across the Atlantic, but how happy would anyone be, bringing her back?

How much would you add to the modest asking price, to have a ten-metre yacht shipped home as deck cargo?

I think you will find that this boat was purchased by it's current owner in California and sailed through the Panama canal before ending up in Guatemala. It's been sailed around the western caribbean for a number of years. Not a boat that I would take across the Atlantic.

 

[dancrane]

I think you will find that this boat was purchased by its current owner in California...

But presumably she was sailed across the pond at some earlier point.

 

[Gerry]

Not at all sure about that. I have a feeling that it was shipped out to the USA but my memory could well be suspect!

 

[dancrane]

Slightly odd choice isn't she, for Pacific coast use? I thought the interior-helm and centreboard meant Southerly yachts were ideally suited to all-season use in shallow British waters.

All the more weird if she'd been shipped out there at considerable expense, without being any better for west-coast sailing than numerous designs already far-flung around the globe.

 

[maby]

Slightly odd choice isn't she, for Pacific coast use? I thought the interior-helm and centreboard meant Southerly yachts were ideally suited to all-season use in shallow British waters.

All the more weird if she'd been shipped out there at considerable expense, without being any better for west-coast sailing than numerous designs already far-flung around the globe.

Boat choice is not always rational - you and I have each expressed admiration for boats that the other would not be seen dead in!

 

[Aardee]

But presumably she was sailed across the pond at some earlier point.

Maybe she was once, but that doesn't mean she could repeat the feat now...

 

[dancrane]

...you and I have each expressed admiration for boats that the other would not be seen dead in!

Very true Maby, though I personally admire the Southerly a good deal, and would like to own one...but I still wouldn't pick her for sailing on the Pacific coast, nor the Caribbean.

I wonder who'd look at her lift-keel, thinking "yup - that's for me - I only have a 3000 metres depth of water to play with, and I want shelter from the very occasional rain".

Odd then, to agree to pay a large amount over her purchase price, for delivery by ship.

 

[maby]

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Odd then, to agree to pay a large amount over her purchase price, for delivery by ship.

That is true - assuming that is how it got there. But plenty of 10m boats cross in the ARC flotilla - perhaps it was sailed there...

 

[maby]

Very true Maby, though I personally admire the Southerly a good deal, and would like to own one...but I still wouldn't pick her for sailing on the Pacific coast, nor the Caribbean.

I wonder who'd look at her lift-keel, thinking "yup - that's for me - I only have a 3000 metres depth of water to play with, and I want shelter from the very occasional rain".

Odd then, to agree to pay a large amount over her purchase price, for delivery by ship.

P.S. we are assuming that the original intention was to sail it in the Carribean and Pacific - it would make plenty of sense in Florida!

 

[Gerry]

She was extremely good for sailing amongst the coral reefs of Belize and gunkholing in the rivers of Central America!

 

[maby]

She was extremely good for sailing amongst the coral reefs of Belize and gunkholing in the rivers of Central America!

We looked very seriously at a Feeling for the same reasons. It was a lovely boat and we came very close to buying it, but got scared off by the maintenance implications - that keel is difficult to clean and antifoul properly.

 

[Tranona]

Might not Southerly build to non-RCD standards for overseas sales? Wouldn't they have to if the boat was supplied to the US, say, originally?

No. The boat was built long before the RCD was thought of. All boats built in the EEA irrespective of age before 1998 are exempt. Equally all boats in the EEA on the qualifying date in 1998 are exempt irrespective of where they were built. EEA is much bigger than EU in 1998 and includes many overseas territories leading to all sorts of bizarre anomalies.