Some boat reviews

Nick_H

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I don't know if anyone's interested but we spent Saturday looking at different flybridges in the 50-58 foot range and a couple or so years old, for eventual use in the Med, and our thoughts were as follows:

2004 Princess 57 - Beautiful boat, and I think the saloon, sunken galley, dinette and internal staircase makes it look much more imposing internally than say a new P54. You don't get the full beam cabin from the 54 of course, but you do get an island berth in the mid master-cabin and proper shower cubicles instead of the horrible round sliding enclosures that always jam. The lack of a full beam cabin also means the boat is lower and sleeker, and would have a bit less windage. Concern here is re-sale as there is a new P58 and the 54 to consider as "competition"

2003 Squadron 58 - for me not as nice inside as the Princess, the very dark wood looks slightly more old fashioned, and it doesn't have seating both sides of the saloon. The galley doesn't feel as spacious either, and the mid cabin double is far less grand, in fact the front cabin is the master. On the other hand the boat looks fantastic from the outside, and the flybridge layout is much better than the Princess, which is a big factor for the med

2002 Squadron 55 - a smaller version of the 58 but with virtually identical layout, but we were really put off by the cabins. On a luxury 55 foot flybridge I would at least expect to be able to put my guests up in a double bed. Also it has the round sliding shower doors which not surprisingly were broken. Shame we weren't so keen, cos this was a reposession so would have been a nice price.

2005 Princess 50 - the boat that impresed me most out of all of 'em. Two spacious double cabins with island berths and a bunk room for kids, big comfy seating both sides of saloon, decent size galley and a very useable fybridge. Three cabin boats at this size normally mean the galley encroaches on the saloon, but doesn't seem to on the P50.

Azimut 50 - probably the nicest decor, with a lighter satin finish cherry, though the blue helm may not be to everyone's liking. Really comfy seating, but this was a two cabin and you lose a fair bit of saloon space to the third cabin. The sharks fin styling is personal choice, but may date quicker.

Aicon 56 - nice looking boat and very nicely built interior, but the boat is designed around the cabin accommodation (which is superb) and as a result the saloon seating is just too small, and looks more like a bus stop. Also no workspace at all in the galley.


Anyone think of other boats we should have looked at, we discounted the Manhattan 56 as its too long for the berth we're getting, the Manhattan 50 'cos they're mighty pricey for the size of them, and the Azimut 55 as the saloon seating is too cramped.
 
Not Quite the same size but I recently looked at a BROOM 50 it was like a flat - 8 berth and separate lounge, Dining room cabins for sleeping and also central helm position - I know what im getting when I retire and go crusing round the world .....
 
Agree with captainalex, well I suppose I would! For Med use have a look at a Ferretti 53/530 or 57. You won't get a midships master cabin in either but all Ferrettis are very beamy so the forward master cabins have plenty of space. Ferretti layouts are somewhat different to typical Brit designs but, once you use them, they make a lot of sense. The flybridges are vast but not well protected so best suited to Med use. Build quality is top notch
Agree with your assessment of the Princess 50. Excellent design and execution without being flash. If you liked the AZ50, have a look at the AZ55 though I agree that the heavily styled design may date but not for a few years and IMHO, look great now
 
T50 / T60.

Not being smart but seeing as you are a customer already surely a deal can be had ?

Out of the boats you have mentioned, I love the Squaddy 58.

For SD hull, have a look at the Skagen 50. Class looking boat imho and offers variable layout.
 
Yes, although the hardtop, patio doors etc etc are all options so it ends up a fair bit more, but still an amazing price IF its a well made boat. I wasn't prepared to take the risk of ordering one against plan, so I though if you don't ask you don't get, so I offered to place an order with an option to cancel when we had the chance to view a finished boat. I expected the dealer to tell me to get stuffed, but he accepted it, so I had a contract drafted and agreed by him, took money off deposit to pay the first instalment, then on the morning I was due to send it he changed his mind about the cancellation clause!

I must point out this was a Belgian dealer (cos they had a stock boat available in May) and it does not reflect on the manufacturer or the UK dealer, who has been very helpful even though he wasn't getting the sale. So we haven't dismissed it, and I would still buy one through the UK dealer, but not till we've seen it in the flesh.

In the meantime we started thinking again about the best style of boat for the med. Its obviously too much money to get it wrong, so we decided we would go and have a look at some flybridges the same kind of length, as you do get so much more space inside and out. So now we're trying to decide which style is best, but its a nice problem to have /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
T60 too big for the berth, and T50 a bit out of proportion IMO and I don't much like the saloon (I think a saloon on a boat should have big comfy seating where every one can sit round and chat, not all sit in a line staring at the sideboard opposite). Shame 'cos I do fancy that hull which does 34 knots economically.

Skagen does look great I agree, but we're not hardened adventurers so don't really need the SD hull and all that comes with it.
 
Not in your league Nick as my latest is a 94' Princess 560. Have to say though very good accomodation given the year, great hull too.

I did some skippering on a P61 last year again lovely boat great hull, lost out on no full width cabin, also I personally think internal flybridge stairs waste a lot of space. My 560 hasnt got em and breaths better if you know what I mean.

Plus in the Med the external staircase is more popular as folks spend most of the time outside main cabin anyway, so dont see the need for internal staircase.
 
Flybridge matters most

Houghn a lot of all this is down to personal preferences and taste, obviously. But after 4 seasons in the Med I would say the crucial bit is the flybridge. You just live up there, and do the swimming wet stuff from downstairs. The saloon of the boat is just a lobby. So the flybridge is critical. And the Sq58 has, by a very wide margin, the best flybridge of any of the boats you list. It is the only boat in its class that lets you seat 8-10 for a meal comfortably, no squashing, around a table that is perfect size/shape for conversation. The whole point of the boat is to be able to have a bunch of mates having a boozy lunch in comfort, right? Also the 3 helm chairs and driving "desk" are fab, as is the chaise longue sunbed, and the front flybridge sunbed where you can sit and sunbathe on long passages while steering with the remote. Honestly, the flybridge is perfection in that size catagory. The others on your list dont come close. Oh, and it has a proper radar mast so the scanner is way above your head on night passages.

There are lots of other reasons to distinguish the boats on your list and some clearly score better/worse than others. The prin57 has better 3 cabins than Sq58, but the trade off is (a) more cramped engine room in p57 with fuel tanks at sides and (b) no utility room/4th cabin. That's down to choice but we find the single bed 4th cabin really useful, esp if the crew/stewardess stays on board. And the Sq 58 has two fab bathrooms whereas P57 has one poor one where the whole room gets drenched by the shower. But the flybridge is the main event imho, and check out the tiny p57 lunch table....

The Sq58 flybr is VERY quiet underway. Can hardy hear the engines. Dunno about the others, but would check that too. I wouldn't assume they're all the same - the 'Hattan 56 has a very noisy flybr frexample (Whoooar exhaust noise)

You might think I'm biased but I'm not. I keep the Sq58 for objective reasons, namely the above. If I thought any of the boats on your list were better there's nothing stopping me dumping the Sq58 and getting one of the others, but I don't wish to, objectively.

See pix below - you cannot have lunch parties like these on any of the boats you list apart from the Sq58 (tho, erm, I accept you might not want the teenagers lunch...!)

All imho, and good luck

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It's all personal choice but just to give the opposite view I'd never have a boat without 2 staircases if i could help it. The extra stairs are fab if you have 10-12 people incl kids running round (it breathes more easily /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif), and for the crew to serve food and clear away (because internal stairs are direct to galley) and great for the captain to nip downstairs to flick a few swithces while underway without ever taking eyes off the road.

But all down to personal choice, no rights and wrongs on this one
 
Mike

Yep, Ferretti 53 on the list, but none in Solent to look at last weekend so will have to arrange another trip to SoF for that one, damn /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Yup take your point on serving food, I should have waited till I've done a few charters on her, which should start around May, then will see the disadvantage of no internal stairs. Guess it would be easier for the hostess to skip from the galley up the internal stairs underway.

Having said that underway shes only normally serving drinks and we have a flybridge fridge, most food on charters waits till we are at anchor.

P.S. will be doing some naturist cruises this year. Will let you know how it goes.
Naked crew & hostess, .......... (wont be me I might add ....blush)
 
Ahem, the correct term is "stewardess" not "hostess", or am I misunderstanding the deal on these naturist cruises??? :-)

Anyway, do report back and post pics. There seems to be quite a market in this, just whack "nude sailing" into google.
 
John, it was the P57 we were looking at not 67. I agree the Fairline has a much better flybridge, and its useful to hear how you use the boat in practice in the med. Seems the Squaddie has better resale too, probably for the same reason. Internal staircase is important for us with a toddler, but I also think it adds to the feel of the boat.
 
Sorry, typo oops, I meant princess 57 not 67. I have edited my post above. Though actually, having been on a p67 (Magnum's) there is no question the Sq58 has better lunch table than p67 too!

Just remembered I owe you a PM on VAT, will do soon, sorry been busy. Feel free to chase

If you have a toddler isn't the 4th cabin in the fairline important? You can put him/her in there, and have another couple +2 kids as guests in the Sq58, whereas in a 3 cabin boat you run out of bedrooms a bit too fast imho and so your ability to have guests is limited. Ok you have the aft crew cabin on all these boats, but that's a bit skanky and last resortish. The 4 nice cabins in the main part of the boat is a definite plus point on the Sq58. I have used the aft cabin for kids, in which case the Sq 58 becomes a 5-cabin, 9 beds, 4 toilets, boat with a lunch table for 9+. None of the others match that.

I dunno about Sq58 resale. The asking prices look good but they have built 150+ and so there are 10-20 for sale in europe at any one time. So achieved prices might be less. On the other hand the list price ex VAT 2004-2007 has gone from £700k-£900k or so (like for like, with decent spec), so that has propped up used prices. I dunno, will probly find out soon! You tend to see more non-VAT paid squaddies than the others (except perhaps the ferretti) and of course a non VAT paid boat is loads easier to sell. I think a VAT paid one is potentially a white elephant, and a non-VAT boat generally gets detax fuel too, so is massively cheaper to run. Bear that in mind when you are buying, and don't buy VAT-paid imho...

Let me know if/when you are next in SofF
 
"stewardess" not "hostess",


emm stewardess on a flight definately, stewardess on a cross channel ferry maybe? ............... bit of a grand title for a boat on charter, .... think I prefer "hostess" know what I mean ;~)


mercifully dont seem to be many doing such cruises my way, will print some piccies when I get them......may have to be a few bits blurred out like they do with faces on TV, wonder how one does that?
 
Internal staircase

Don't agree with you at all about internal staircases, Clive. We have one on our boat and whilst it does take up a bit of space and is a bit precarious to use, I now would'nt buy a flybridge boat without one. First off, it's a safety feature. On passage, we lock the patio door between the saloon and the aft cockpit and just use the internal stairway for accessing the flybridge. I'm paranoid about kids in particular accessing the flybridge via the external stairs unsupervised. Then it's much easier to move between upper and lower helms which I do quite often 'coz I don't have a full set of instruments upstairs and it's much easier passing food and drinks up through the internal hatch
 
I'd be surprised if there are many if any Ferrettis in the UK which is a point to consider because reselling a UK based one could prove much more difficult
 
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