Melleman
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Smoking on board
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The tolerance/intolerance shown by people on this thread gives a good indication who would/wouldn't be enjoyable company to go sailing with.
Fantasie 19
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....I can't believe they wouldn't emigrate so as not to be in the same country....
...yes indeed... also thread is up to three pages and growing....
prv
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Well, I think it's incredibly rude to tell someone what they can and can't do on their own boat.
I find it so rude that I actually struggle to envisage the situation. But if Chris and I were moored up somewhere, and he was having a smoke in the cockpit, and some officious prat from across the pontoon came and complained [1] - well, I think my response would be along the lines of "No! Just who the **** do you think you are?!"
Pete
[1] as distinct from a polite request, which I'm still not convinced is justified unless there's a specific reason, but we'd probably honour out of common courtesy. But the earlier poster specifically says that he complains if people on other boats light up.
BruceDanforth
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Luckily I rarely have crew onboard but I don't mind them smoking as long as they don't mind me taking a **** in my bucket.
vjmehra
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Hmm to be fair, I think it is rude if you are a smoker and you can see your smoke is blowing into another boat's cockpit, its easy enough for you to walk to the foredeck, its a lot harder for the boat next door to move! Whether you feel you have a right to smoke or not, surely its simple manners to think about how it may affect your neighbours, especially when its not that difficult to walk a few metres away.
That said ordering the boat next to you not to smoke full stop, is a) unlikely to work anyway and b) unenforceable, whilst I fully appreciate why people don't want smoke in their faces I think most people are decent enough to move if they could see a large amount of smoke was going into the next boat.
But lets look at it another way...what if you have moored up, then a boat pulls up next to you and starts playing loud music all night....would you complain then?
If so...whats the difference?
Babylon
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Its the irrational hysteria about how 'dangerous' cigarette smoke is that bothers me.
Cigarette smoke is not weapons-grade radioactive material, yet becoming aware from time to time of the smell of some cigarette smoke from a distance away seems to send some people into utter apoplexy.
I'm not saying cigarettes aren't dangerous to smokers: say 20 a day x 15 inhalations per fag = 300 concentrated doses per day of carcinogens, plus the deleterious effect to the cardio-vascular system etc = 10,000 doses per year! Unless you live full-time in a small flat for a great many years with a committed smoker who refuses to open any windows, the chances of being seriously effected by second-hand smoke are in fact pretty small (not non-existent, but small enough to be negligible to the question of whether you'd allow a smoker to have the odd fag in the cockpit or foredeck).
To suggest that walking past a smoker on the street, or being moored alongside someone having the occasional smoke in their own cockpit surrounded by millions of cubic feet of fresh air is a direct assault on your 'right to life' is completely disproportionate.
The **** that comes out of vehicle - and boat! - exhausts (no matter what the gains in clean technology) are considerably more dangerous to billions of smokers and non-smokers alike. During the eight years that I'd given up smoking, a client visit to central London made my chest much tighter than I've ever experienced smoking, and left me gasping sometimes for breath.
So, I respect your right to not have smokers on board your own yacht (I trust I'm not invited), but for pete's sakes stop all the hysterical moaning.
Cigarette smoke is not weapons-grade radioactive material, yet becoming aware from time to time of the smell of some cigarette smoke from a distance away seems to send some people into utter apoplexy.
I'm not saying cigarettes aren't dangerous to smokers: say 20 a day x 15 inhalations per fag = 300 concentrated doses per day of carcinogens, plus the deleterious effect to the cardio-vascular system etc = 10,000 doses per year! Unless you live full-time in a small flat for a great many years with a committed smoker who refuses to open any windows, the chances of being seriously effected by second-hand smoke are in fact pretty small (not non-existent, but small enough to be negligible to the question of whether you'd allow a smoker to have the odd fag in the cockpit or foredeck).
To suggest that walking past a smoker on the street, or being moored alongside someone having the occasional smoke in their own cockpit surrounded by millions of cubic feet of fresh air is a direct assault on your 'right to life' is completely disproportionate.
The **** that comes out of vehicle - and boat! - exhausts (no matter what the gains in clean technology) are considerably more dangerous to billions of smokers and non-smokers alike. During the eight years that I'd given up smoking, a client visit to central London made my chest much tighter than I've ever experienced smoking, and left me gasping sometimes for breath.
So, I respect your right to not have smokers on board your own yacht (I trust I'm not invited), but for pete's sakes stop all the hysterical moaning.
vjmehra
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Not sure if that was aimed at me, or one of the others, but if it was me, firstly I don't actually have a massive issue with smokers on-board, so long as they check no-one else minds and/or move away from where everyone else is sitting (or more easily if the wind permits simply sit downwind).
That said, passive smoke is dangerous and unpleasant, the exact danger is up for debate, but the unpleasantness isn't, so I can completely see why someone wouldn't want a boat full of smokers next door. Well to be honest, I wouldn't, however I'd say its very unlikely that I'd find a boat full of smokers inconsiderate enough to sit upwind, most people tend to be pretty good about that, hence I don't personally have a huge issue with it, I just can see why people would.
Also anyone who moans about generators, music and anything else, yet smokes next to another boat is a huge hypocrite (not suggesting you are, I just picked some popular complaints from this forum)!
Stemar
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I'm not suggesting it'll set them ablaze, but I've seen the hot end of a cigarette come off and blow in the general direction of my sails. It wouldn't take too much bad luck for it to lodge in a reef and melt a hole.
If that's hysteria or intolerance, then guilty as charged - and unrepentant.
BruceDanforth
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NUTMEG
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Passive smoking is one of the few real pleasures I have left
AntarcticPilot
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I'm an ex-smoker myself, and grew up in a home with parents who both smoked heavily. So, this isn't "holier than thou"! I don't mind people smoking aboard, as long as it's above decks, and proper care is taken with ash and cigarette ends. However, the smell of cigarette smoke is a trigger for nausea with me, possibly because of early exposure, so I avoid it if there is motion on the boat - which might include my home marina, as there is often a significant motion. I'm OK with pipes and cigars - when I smoked it was a pipe and occasional cigar - but cigarettes have this effect.
The point I'd like to make is that smoke is actively unpleasant for many people, especially as it has become less prevalent in public spaces. It's not only the well-documented health effects, it is about considering whether you are causing discomfort to others. Smokers - and I was the same when I smoked - tend not to notice the smell of smoke, especially the smell of stale smoke that often clings to clothing. Since stopping (30+ years ago), I realise the problem.
The point I'd like to make is that smoke is actively unpleasant for many people, especially as it has become less prevalent in public spaces. It's not only the well-documented health effects, it is about considering whether you are causing discomfort to others. Smokers - and I was the same when I smoked - tend not to notice the smell of smoke, especially the smell of stale smoke that often clings to clothing. Since stopping (30+ years ago), I realise the problem.
BruceDanforth
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Do joints cause the same anguish?
vjmehra
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Ru88ell
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In the time it's taken me to read this thread I couldn't think of a single friend who smokes. I've lots of relatives who do, but we only get to see them when one of them dies. I wouldn't have anyone smoking in or on my boat, sailing or stationary. Like Antarctic Pilot said, the stench would have me heaving in minutes.
Melleman
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That is why we love AmsterdamNo, everyone is far too relaxed to argue
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mjcoon
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Passive smoking is one of the few real pleasures I have left
Sounds like Denis Norden saying that his sex life had decreased to solely being frisked at airports!
Mike.
NUTMEG
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always liked Mr Norden.
Slow_boat
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I don't like the smell of aftershave and some perfumes make me heave, but wouldn't ban anyone from wearing it on my boat. If you're invited onto my boat, or into my house, you are a friend or a guest and my part is to make you feel at home.
Common courtesy, I think.
Or maybe I'm just to tolerant.
Common courtesy, I think.
Or maybe I'm just to tolerant.
vjmehra
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Its very courteous of you, there's no question about that, but the way you word it suggests you think everyone should allow people to smoke on their boats, which is ridiculous.
Apart from the fact that it is likely to devalue your boat (if you allow people to smoke inside), what about children, what about asthmatics or what about people that don't want to risk getting cancer from passive smoke?
You sound like a courteous guy to go to those lengths to keep your guests happy, however your tone comes across a bit judgemental on those that don't wish to bend over backwards to accommodate.
