should we have interfered?

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This weekend, Morgana, along with a couple of other forum boats met up at Fambridge...

While we were there we noted a rather worrying situation developing...

A little Vivacity turned up, populated with 4 bare chested young guys (and without being too boorish - of the less intellectually endowed variety) who proceeded to tie up on the downtide side of a pontoon that was straight across the tide.... and then march off down to the pub...

3 hours later they returned, not obviously worse for the wear (so no drink related issues immediately obvious)

However now, they had, along with the 4 original guys, 3 women and 3 kids.... so 10 people on a 20' boat....

What was also abundantly clear was that they had absolutely no idea at all what they were doing.... no fenders, plastic garden string for warps, etc etc etc

The tide by this time had turned, and with a big spring tide, there was already 2+ kts pinning them to the pontoon.....

attached to the back of the boat was a little 3hp outboard, that they could not start.... the adults remained lifejacketless, and the kids sported water skiing style bouyancy aids sized for an overweight male... the kids donned them, and they came down to their knees, while they could have had a small party inside the bouyancy aids themselves....

1/2hr later, the 'lads' had started the outboard after prolonged tugging on the starter cord, when some kind sole (out of frustration at the curfuffle rather than the act itself I suspect) finally pointed out the fuel tap to them...

They then proceeded to work the boat forward along the pontoon by hand assisted by the viscious tide until the pullpit smacked the old wooden boat in front of them hard enough to bend the pullpit.... all this time, the women are bailing the cockpit out which has several inches of water in it, causing the beer cans on the sole to float around all the other detritus including leaves, rubbish and general dirt... (I suspect the cockpit sole was by now below the water line - although I am surprised the drains weren't blocked).... along with various curses in a broad Essex accent, scattered with profanitites...

(at which point their evident lack of tidal knowledge was reinforced after another boat pointed out their follies, with an "its alright luv, we know all about tides dunt we...." while clearly the alpha bare chested male thought the advice to be bonkers as it was quite clearly summer and not spring, so what on earth was she on, and since when has a season been 'big')

Hitting the wooden boat obviously caused a rethink, so eventually they managed to drag it to a suitable position for an exit through brute force, pushed off (sort of, against a 2.5kt tide) all jumped on, and proceeded to bump their way down the pontoon revving the engine to absolute maximum, but not realising that it would have been more effective if they had put in it gear...

Soon enough they ran out of boats to bump their way along and water...

1/2 hr later, we saw the lads alone, still bare chested manage to motor off the pontoon.... no idea where the women and children had gone, and set off up river, against the tide, making perhaps 1/2kt over the ground....cheering as they went... into a rapidly falling tide in an area filled with dangerous mud flats...

Later that afternoon, we noticed (ironically, somewhat relieved) that it was back... tied forlornly to another part of the pontoon, and no one onboard.... still filthy, still full of water, and the outboard removed.... good job if nothing else they'd moved it... their previous location dries to 1.5m...

Now... this was so obviously an accident waiting to happen... they genuinely didn't have a clue... no fenders, no lifejackets, no clue about tide....

Should we have interjected?
 
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but we had fun and lernt lotz

.. it woz me and sum frends, we'd borowed dads bote an had sum fun. Sorree about ol the mess and scratches and stuff but hey thats botes
 
Do you think it would have done any good? It doesn't sound as if they were particularly receptive to suggestions! I think I might have been tempted to intervene if the kids had still been on board but from what you say, it sounds as if they (or their mum(s)) had decided that discretion was the better part of valour.

But maybe the blokes have learned something from their mistakes? They've evidently already learned not to leave an outboard on an unattended boat, so one can't abandon all hope.....
 
Do you think it would have done any good?

But maybe the blokes have learned something from their mistakes?

They've evidently already learned not to leave an outboard on an unattended boat, so one can't abandon all hope.....

1) No.
2) I doubt it
3) Was the boat their own? (If not they probably couldn't have cared less.) :mad:
 
Bracket.

Do you think it would have done any good? It doesn't sound as if they were particularly receptive to suggestions! I think I might have been tempted to intervene if the kids had still been on board but from what you say, it sounds as if they (or their mum(s)) had decided that discretion was the better part of valour.

But maybe the blokes have learned something from their mistakes? They've evidently already learned not to leave an outboard on an unattended boat, so one can't abandon all hope.....


I was a casual observer, and, being a helpful sort of chap, I decided that these folk were not for listening. In fact I think they may have viewed 'help' from a wussy yottie to be an invitation to thump the assister up the bracket.

My rule of 8 profanities a minute with 4 sq ft of tattoos, just on the Mrs, put them in the highly likely to enjoy a punch up category, so I left well alone.

The really funny thing was that they tied the boat to the pontoon by a bow rope only. When the tide turned, so did the boat.... Amazing how a 20 footer can occupy 50 foot of pontton.
 
Bad things often happen because good people let them. Interfere.
The problem with a sweeping statement like that is we'll end up preventing anyone from doing anything because we consider it dangerous ...

so - start with stopping a couple of lads & their entourage from messing about on a boat .. end up with stopping anyone stepping foot on a boat because they're not done up in all the latest safety gear and gizmos.

Tell anyone they shouldn't do something and they won't like you for it ... no matter how good your intentions - there are times when you can "offer advice" and other times when you're safer from letting them get on with it rather than nursing your broken nose whilst they get on with whatever you were trying to stop them from doing but now all "angry" with it ...
 
Yes of course you should.

I saw someone smoking the other day. I gave him a 45 minute lecture about the dangers and I'm sure he's a better man for my wisdom. In the same way you should have blessed these people with your advice.

Personally I think the world would be a far better place if we observed what other people are doing more closely and made comment on all the things we think they shouldn't be doing.

I'm off to MacDonalds now to tell everyone to stop eating greasy foods. They're so lucky, what would they do if I wasn't around?
 
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Yes of course you should.

I saw someone smoking the other day. I gave him a 45 minute lecture about the dangers and I'm sure he's a better man for my wisdom. In the same way you should have blessed these people with your advice.

Personally I think the world would be a far better place if we observed what other people are doing more closely and made comment on all the things we think they shouldn't be doing.

I'm off to MacDonalds now to tell everyone to stop eating greasy foods. They're so lucky, what would they do if I wasn't around?
I hope that was tongue in cheek?

Having faced the distressing experience of helping retrieve a 5 year old child's body from the water after they had drowned wearing an inapproriately sized buoyancy aid, I'm somewhat sensitive to this subject.... frankly I didn't give a toss about the blokes.... unless they'd scratched my boat... but the kids weren't old enough to know how much risk their parents(?) were putting them at....
 
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