Ship collision off Hull

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kingsebi said:
Wow, hard to believe. I know nothing of these things, but that seems a little careless
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Who knows what happened but my guess fits the facts and seems more likely to me than the theory that they simply switched the auto pilot on and then chose not to keep watch.
 
kingsebi said:
Really? They leave an 100,000 ton vessel on autopilot without keeping watch? No one keeping watch on the oil tanker? No AIS or radar alarm going off on either ship? No radio contact established, nothing?
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All we know is it plugs into the tanker at the same 16 knots and on the same course as it was on 8 hours earlier (and the same course it's followed previously). I was replying to a suggestion Russia was involved - the fact it's apparently on a previously used course implies cock-ups rather than conspiracy.
 
DreadShips said:
Apart from a slight wobble near the Tyne it followed a dead straight run down the coast of England that would only just clear the anchorage outside the Humber. There's also previous paths on exactly the same course. It seems fairly obvious the cargo vessel was on autopilot to its next regular waypoint with no regard to what might be in the way.
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Also seems like it just might be a good idea to set a course that clears a known anchorage by more than "only just"?
 
Great news that one in hospital (hope recovers OK) but all other 36 accounted for and safely ashore.

With a ship full of aviation fuel that is a great outcome from the rescue services. Spare a thought for the RNLI etc heading in to rescue from a floating bomb.

EDIT: BBC reports were later updated to correct this and one person sadly missing. Still amazing rescue in the circumstances.
 
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I saw a quote earlier from Grimsby that suggested they were brought ashore by pilot vessels and one of the windfarm boats. If true it implies there wasn't time to wait for the RNLI and both crews just got the heck out of it ASAP rather than try to fight an already catastrophic fire.
 
On a small coaster the watch my have nipped down to the galley to make some tea and toast,tripped over coming up the stairs with hands full……but a big ship would have at least two on watch
 
Wansworth said:
On a small coaster the watch my have nipped down to the galley to make some tea and toast,tripped over coming up the stairs with hands full……but a big ship would have at least two on watch
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It was a big ship so he was carrying too much that's why he tripped
 
As of now, marine traffic shows what looks like a search in progress. I pray they find whoever they are looking for alive 🙏. That water is blooming cold at this time of the year
 
Seven Spades said:
Well it is equally unlikely that they woudl have failed to notice an AIS alarm and a radar alarm it is very curious.
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What are the obligations on an anchored vessel? I know that they will be keeping watch, but I would assume primarily to make sure they are not drifting or that no emergency such as a fire is occurring. I have no experience of the merchant marine but although I imagine that a ship will be keeping radio watch, do they generally observe the radar and monitor AIS as well, and are they required to do so?
 
boomerangben said:
As of now, marine traffic shows what looks like a search in progress. I pray they find whoever they are looking for alive 🙏. That water is blooming cold at this time of the year
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They're all alive and accounted for from both ships. One person in hospital.
 
Mark-1 said:
No course or speed change? So pod steering which I guess means both can fail together? Like the theory.

My bet is still on the human factor.
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Not really much of a bet to be honest. Since humans conceived, designed, manufactured, assembled, managed, maintained and operated both these vessels, unless it was an act of God, it will be a human factor. The question is where in the system was the human factor playing a negative role. Enter the MAIB
 
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