Securing anchor in roller without a drop nose pin

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Both my yachts lack sensibly placed holes in the bow roller to take a drop nose pin to stop the chain jumping out of the roller in wild conditions. I usually just use a bit of rope if I think conditions warrant it, but was wondering if anyone had a better solution?

-W
 
We have a bottle screw on deck, with a pad eye through the deck and a quick-release that goes through the anchor shackle. Came as standard on ours. We usually have it on fairly loosely, just so the anchor can't fall out, but if we need to batten down then a few turns on the bottle screw pull the anchor hard into the roller. The nice thing is that this means we don't have to reach forward to put in or remove a pin.

If it's rough enough to mean that won't do the job then it's highly likely I wouldn't be out, and if I were preparing for really heavy weather I couldn't avoid, I'd add some extra lashings to the bow roller round the whole lot.
 
I used to want a locking pin till I got one and then wished I'd never used it. The pin was proud of the chain - to prevent it 'jumping' the roller. But after many reasonable uese ... one time when weather started turning - the chain fouled the pin and it took huge effort to release - with weather getting worse as I worked.
I reverted back to light lashing that could be cut easily ......
 
webcraft said:
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Both my yachts lack sensibly placed holes in the bow roller to take a drop nose pin to stop the chain jumping out of the roller in wild conditions. I usually just use a bit of rope if I think conditions warrant it, but was wondering if anyone had a better solution?

-W
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Just to be sure :

Are you talking about when anchored ... you say secure the CHAIN .... or to secure the anchor when stowed in the roller ?
 
I'm a bit confused, post title is securing anchor in roller but text says
webcraft said:
.to stop the chain jumping out of the roller in wild conditions.
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To secure the Anchor I have a shackle permanently in the anchor trip line fitting and pass a line attached to the pulpit centre strut through it and then tied off back to the pulpit centre strut.
When at anchor, i leave it to gravity and the weight of the chain to hold the chain in place, as the snubber rope leaves the chain over the bow roller slack.
 
LadyInBed said:
I'm a bit confused, post title is securing anchor in roller but text says

To secure the Anchor I have a shackle permanently in the anchor trip line fitting and pass a line attached to the pulpit centre strut through it and then tied off back to the pulpit centre strut.
When at anchor, i leave it to gravity and the weight of the chain to hold the chain in place, as the snubber rope leaves the chain over the bow roller slack.
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See my post before yours ... similarly confused.
 
I think I know what you mean Webcraft. Nothing wrong with a bit of rope to lash the anchor into the bow roller when you are on passage in fiesty conditions. In fact it is more secure than a pin and stops it rattling about. Easier to undo or take off and won't jam and if you have trouble with the knot a knife serves well.
 
roaringgirl said:
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It does not make sense - when the anchor is in use, the chain is slack because the snubber is deployed, when the boat is underway, the chain is not on the roller: the anchor is.
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Not everyone uses a snubber.

Second - the OP's text and Title do not agree ... scroll back through posts and you will see that not only I but another asked whether its anchor in the roller or chain ....
 
Refueler said:
Not everyone uses a snubber.
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Perhaps they should? But certainly a snubber would be a much better solution than a pin if the "issue" is when anchored.
If the "issue" is when underway, then surely any true Scotsman would use an offcut of rope as a lashing, zero cost and no holes needed in the anchor.
Certainly no pins on our heavily used anchor gear.
 
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dunedin said:
Perhaps they should? But certainly a snubber would be a much better solution than a pin if the "issue" is when anchored.
If the "issue" is when underway, then surely any true Scotsman would use an offcut of rope as a lashing, zero cost and no hoes needed in the anchor.
Certainly no pins on our heavily used anchor gear.
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Agreed ... I have short lashing for chain onto roller ... in fact its one that I use to lash anchor down in its 'chocks' ...

Apology for thread drift .......... but :

A famous Marina on South Coast may at random go out and 'measure' boats in berths. Pal of mine had that happen. His next bill was in the NEXT range up - a not insignificant rise in fees.
He went to the office and asked why the incrase when others with same / similar boats still had last bill levels.

Reply was - We measured the length occupied by your boat and it falls into the next level.

My pal asked them to re-visit the boat and measure in front of him ...

The problem was : He usually stowed the anchor in its locker - but that time - he had it as so many others do - stowed on the stem roller. The Marina included the anchor extended past the roller.

When this was apparent - he removed the anchor and asked for reset of fees ... was refused and so Marina lost a berth holder ...
 
Refueler said:
Not everyone uses a snubber.

Second - the OP's text and Title do not agree ... scroll back through posts and you will see that not only I but another asked whether its anchor in the roller or chain ....
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If the original qu is how to stop the chain jumping off the roller at anchor, and they don't use a snubber, then the answer is... to use a snubber!
 
Never used a snubber ... never needed to use a snubber ... do not envisage any event that would lead me to use a snubber.

Being old world seagoing dog .... I like the option to 'hear' the chain on the roller during period at anchor .. as an old sea dog - I can usually feel or detect an anchor drag (rare as it is for me) ... a snubber would completely destroy that little trick ...

Think that just about answers that one !
 
My previous boat lacked a hole for a drop nose pin and there was no space to fit one without fouling the chain. Since she was on an exposed swinging mooring I had to find a solution. Using the bolt which passed through the bow roller, I fixed a flat ss perforated bar each side - like Meccano. These extended just above the flanges of the roller. I could then put a drop nose pin through the top two holes.
 
Dipper said:
My previous boat lacked a hole for a drop nose pin and there was no space to fit one without fouling the chain. Since she was on an exposed swinging mooring I had to find a solution. Using the bolt which passed through the bow roller, I fixed a flat ss perforated bar each side - like Meccano. These extended just above the flanges of the roller. I could then put a drop nose pin through the top two holes.
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My Snapdragon was similar until I designed my own stemhead fitting .... original had no secure point for forestay - that was secured to an eyebolt through deck. It pulled out leaving Bembridge one day ...

Anyway - that original - I used to pass a light lashing line under the stemhead roller and round the chain ... sufficient to stop it coming off roller - but not so much to interfere with chain.
My redesign had the stemhead with a tang down the stem and fixed into bow ... plus the large plate section bolted to deck ... with forestay pinned to vertical plate ... at fwd end of which was the bow roller and a second short plate other side. These two plates had a hole each for that light line to pass through. I did have a pin at first but it jammed one day when chain fouled it. Never used it again.
 
Refueler said:
Never used a snubber ... never needed to use a snubber ... do not envisage any event that would lead me to use a snubber.

Being old world seagoing dog .... I like the option to 'hear' the chain on the roller during period at anchor .. as an old sea dog - I can usually feel or detect an anchor drag (rare as it is for me) ... a snubber would completely destroy that little trick ...

Think that just about answers that one !
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I've never used a snubber through laziness mainly but I think I should.
 
Of the 2 scenarios imagined - for the chain to leap of the roller at anchor the anchorage would need to be very frisky and I would suggest forgetting solutions (to the chain jumping off the roller) and move to somewhere a bit more placid.

The options to secure the anchor on passage must be numerous. I would not use a pin to discourage the anchor from leaping off the roller as that implies drilling a hole though the shank (never do that) or the anchor may not jump of the roller but will constantly wobble of the bow roller .....and wear the bow roller.

The simplest answer is, as has been suggested, lash it down. Personally we use a short strop with a chain hook such that the anchor is hard against the roller - this stops it wobbling and in the event the windlass clutch loosens - stops the whole lot deploying in a 4m Depth when under motor (and being pulled up short) or in over 100m and having a struggle to get it all back in the locker. Our short strop with chain hook, is secured to a strong point, between windlass and bow roller. We use the same short strop as back up to the snubbers (bridle) to ensure the tension is not misdirected to the windlass, were the snubber(s) to fail.

To provide better answers in stead of guessing we need to see a decent picture of Webcraft's bow (as it is better to use devices already there - like horn cleats) and possibly Webcraft can clarify what his question really is.

Jonathan
 
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