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# there is a comon misconception that sail has right of way over power
# Look around & be aware
# Look before you tack
# Give sea room,
# Be friendly - don`t buzz
# Use your motoring cone when motoring
# Use your anchor ball & give anchored craft a wide berth
# Racing yachts are not exempt from col regs
# If you tack into the path of a power boat YOU ARE IN THE WRONG, regardless of the fact you may run aground if you do not tack.


Yes I know it just sounds like another stinker troll but afraid not it is all RYA advice !
Happy sailing guys.




http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectio...egulations and Safety/SeaSenseLeaflet2009.pdf






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dacarak said:
Yes I know it just sounds like another stinker troll but afraid not it is all RYA advice !
Happy sailing guys.




http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectio...egulations and Safety/SeaSenseLeaflet2009.pdf



No, it's just another DAKA troll, quoting selectively from a rather poorly written document. The most relevant quote is:

Every sailor knows that power should in general give way to sail, but as the stand on vessel the sailing boat is required to maintain its course and speed
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If you are a sailing vessel tacking in a narrow channel tack early rather than tacking late and impeding another vessel . It is just common sense - and you are not required to run aground to keep out of DAKA's way :rolleyes:


A bit dull over on the MOBO forum is it? :D
- W
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No boat has right of way over any other boat. There are stand on vessels and give way vessels.

But Daka is correct in that there are some cases where sail is the give way vessel, most notably when one is overtaking a power boat - something I experience quite often in Balladonna. We should also give way to fishing boats when fishing (provided they have the right shapes and lights showing) and powered craft not under command and restricted in their ability to manoeuvre.

Anyone who tacks under the bow if a fast powerboat isn't paying attention and deserves what comes, which will probably include a reduced insurance payout. However, even in a narrow channel, a powerboat gives way to a sailing vessel behaving sensibly. You are not required to run aground but you are required to plan a little in advance and perhaps heave to for a moment if you realise late that you have to make a tack which could put you in a positi0on where there is considerable risk of a collision
 
dacarak said:
# there is a comon misconception that sail has right of way over power
# Look around & be aware
# Look before you tack
# Give sea room,
# Be friendly - don`t buzz
# Use your motoring cone when motoring
# Use your anchor ball & give anchored craft a wide berth
# Racing yachts are not exempt from col regs
# If you tack into the path of a power boat YOU ARE IN THE WRONG, regardless of the fact you may run aground if you do not tack.

Yes I know it just sounds like another stinker troll but afraid not it is all RYA advice !
Happy sailing guys.
Yep! by all means quote what suits you, in the way it suits you.

Also direct from the RYA document:

"Give Sea Room
Motor boats on the plane may
not be generating a huge wash
to bounce the boats they are
passing around, but the noise,
speed and its effect on the
wind can be just as disruptive
and on occasion frightening. Your
exhilarating ride could cause injury on
another boat, where they maybe pouring
boiling water into cups down below. The effect of the
wash will be worse on a calm day than when the sea
state is already a factor.
Watch your wash
Be aware of the effect that your speed and wash have
on other craft then pass at what they will consider to be
a safe distance and speed. Remember, an overtaking
vessel is required to keep out of the way of the vessel
being overtaken.
Speed limits are set for a reason, it may
be environmental, it may be safety or a
combination of both.
Cut your speed
So in a nutshell, the Sea Sense message aims to
ensure that the many different forms of our sport
using our coastal waters, do so in harmony with each
other and in line with the rules and
regulations (the COLREGs).
‘Give and take’ and
consideration to fellow users
of the sea is the core of the
message
crusing@rya.org.uk www.rya.org.uk 0845 345 0370

Happy motoring!
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Give Sea Room
Motor boats on the plane may
not be generating a huge wash
to bounce the boats they are
passing around, but the noise,
speed and its effect on the
wind can be just as disruptive
and on occasion frightening.

Your exhilarating ride could cause injury on
another boat, where they maybe pouring
boiling water into cups down below. The effect of the
wash will be worse on a calm day than when the sea
state is already a factor.

Happy motoring!
 
Daka, I've met you and you certainly came across as a nice guy, family man. So why do you come out with so much c rap on this forum when we both know you would not be such a stirrer if you were face to face with these people?
 
galadriel said:
Daka, I've met you and you certainly came across as a nice guy, family man. So why do you come out with so much c rap on this forum when we both know you would not be such a stirrer if you were face to face with these people?
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Although I have quoted you this is really a general reply and explanation.

The post wasn't intended to antagonise.

I read the RYA leaflet and parts of it stuck out , the parts which I have been posting here for years and been accused of 'trolling', the same 'advice' is now in print by RYA.

My op above is a block 'copy paste' from here
http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/regssafety/safteytips/Pages/seasense.aspx

and a bit selectively copy pasted re tacking into path of stinkers, that bit isnt relevant to cruisers anyway, if anything I was having a pop at dinghies which I thought might amuse scuttleburks as the dinghies tacking in front must be just as annoying to you as they are to me.

Anyway not worth getting upset about.
Happy safe sailing to all.

regards

Pete
 
Re the "Motoring Cone"

I have always known this as the motorsailing cone to be hoisted when motorsailing. Have the RYA got it wrong or am I just out of date?

Anyway, I have always regarded this as a way of informing other vessels that I am motorsailing and they should apply the col regs appropriately. If I want them to treat me as a sailing vessel (even though I am motorsailing) for some reason, I don't hoist it.
 
''The post wasn't intended to antagonise.................
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Anyway not worth getting upset about.''


Well said; and accepted, at least by this poster.
You are not the only one who has fallen for the temptation to make a smart(ish) comment and had his ears boxed for failing to think through how it might appear to others. There have been times I've wished for some of Galadriels' soothing ointment. Join the club!
 
SlowlyButSurely said:
I have always known this as the motorsailing cone to be hoisted when motorsailing. Have the RYA got it wrong or am I just out of date?

Anyway, I have always regarded this as a way of informing other vessels that I am motorsailing and they should apply the col regs appropriately. If I want them to treat me as a sailing vessel (even though I am motorsailing) for some reason, I don't hoist it.
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I'm in absolute agreement with both paragraphs.
 
Burn's Night and it's taken this long for the 1st COLREG post of 2010 and it hasn't even got properly heated.

While I echo the concept of consideration and courtesy, I feel obliged to point out that if Daka is approaching from your stern then you are at liberty to tack across him as much as you wish - he is obliged to keep clear. Luffing him onto the putty on anything but a rising tide could be construed as inconsiderate and discourteous.

"13(d) Any subsequent alteration of bearing between the two vessels shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear."
 
Thanks AWOL, you guys crack me up !http://www.ybw.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

These are not DAKA col regs , the above quotes are taken directly from the RYA.

If I had quoted some snotty nose kid off buzzy burks wet bikes forum's interpretation of the col regs I could understand the disbelief but this is a quote from the RYA, its more a kin to quoting a chapter out the Bible and being accused of blasphemy by the vicar.
Every time you guys read something you dont like we have to suffer a chorus of 'the troll song' ( in tune to the skol song ?).

The last time I was accused of trolling on here I was quoting directly from an admiralty chart , this time directly from the RYA ,when are you guys going to wake up to your responsibilities on the water ?

In brief, please dont shoot the messenger !

Now if you feel the RYA are concerned about falling raggie subscriptions in the recession and are just sucking up to sinkers who are generally perceived as been loaded suckers then feel free to take up any inaccuracies with the RYA, it makes sense to me though and may just save your life if you bother to read it.
 
dacarak said:
Thanks AWOL, you guys crack me up !http://www.ybw.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

when are you guys going to wake up to your responsibilities on the water ?
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SlowlyButSurely said:
I have always known this as the motorsailing cone to be hoisted when motorsailing. Have the RYA got it wrong or am I just out of date?

Anyway, I have always regarded this as a way of informing other vessels that I am motorsailing and they should apply the col regs appropriately. If I want them to treat me as a sailing vessel (even though I am motorsailing) for some reason, I don't hoist it.
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Er no!... you are either 'sailing' or 'motoring'.... if the engine is running then you are 'motoring'... end of.

I'm sure that someone will soon post the relevant clause.

Otherwise , there is no reason why i can't blast across you at full throttle claiming to be 'sailing' !!!
 
awol said:
Burn's Night and it's taken this long for the 1st COLREG post of 2010 and it hasn't even got properly heated.

While I echo the concept of consideration and courtesy, I feel obliged to point out that if Daka is approaching from your stern then you are at liberty to tack across him as much as you wish - he is obliged to keep clear. Luffing him onto the putty on anything but a rising tide could be construed as inconsiderate and discourteous.

"13(d) Any subsequent alteration of bearing between the two vessels shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear."
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Err, No.

17(a) (i) Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way the other shall keep her course and speed.
 
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