Sea search for missing teenager

My hero!

So what exactly was the point of bringing in your 80 shouts? Was it, perchance, to lay down your credentials before passing moral judgement?

Sad, you need a few more shouts under your belt
 
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Or do you think that the death-penalty is appropriate for children who break the law?

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I didn't attribute an opinion to you

[/ QUOTE ] If you want to split hairs you didn't attribute that opinion to me, however as I haven't expressed that thought I wonder why you asked it of me?
 
Sadly probably looks much the same as a 14 yo car thief who drives recklessly and smashes it up .
Reading the latest update it would be easy to assume that they were taunting HMCG during the 999 call .
The whole needless and EXPENSIVE issue as i stated in my original post is a tragedy brought about by foolishness .
Anyway what ever your views on it you have better hurry up and post you feelings 'cos once this thread goes to page 2 it will be forgotten like all its predecessors and discussions will revert to the virtues of frey Bentos pies once again . Sad but true .
 
Perhaps you should bugger off with the rest of us as you're now arguing the semantics of my posts, and there is still a 14 year old boy missing.
 
There's a 14 yo boy missing probably dead. Similar age to my youngest daughter. The death of any child ought to be a source of grief to anyone with an ounce of humanity in their soul. Let he who has never done anything foolish or illegal when of tender years step forward.
 
Well, at least we seem to agree that compassion and concern for the missing child are the appropriate responses.
 
As I see it, no one on here has any first hand knowledge of these two lads.

They may well have been two 'decent' kids having a laugh and acting out of character whislt staying on a boat nearby.

They may well have been theiving little scroats who hang around in a gang intimidating and mugging other kids.

What we do know is that one is dead and the other missing, presumed dead.

In other words, the only fact we have is that a child is dead.
 
Oh, and while I think about it, there are plenty of parents who think it perfectly okay for their 14yr olds to be out and about in the early hours. The same ones who think it's okay for a seven year old to play outside without adult supervision and whose idea of walking the dog is to let it out of the front door in the mornings and let it in when it comes back.

'Normal' isn't the same for everyone.
 
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What we do know is that one is dead and the other missing, presumed dead.

In other words, the only fact we have is that a child is dead.

[/ QUOTE ] No, according to the BBC one is at home recovering. search scaled down
 
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So what exactly was the point of bringing in your 80 shouts? Was it, perchance, to lay down your credentials before passing moral judgement?


[/ QUOTE ] Sadly if this is a serious question, then you do not know me at all. Mine was a direct response to an accusation regarding the value I put on human life.regards mike
 
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But after the boat capsized, the coastguard helicopter was dispatched along with the RNLI all weather lifeboat, which found one of the boys at about 0300 GMT

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I would echo the expressions of concern for the missing boy, and add one thought, about the boy that was rescued. He owes his life possibly to a certain amount of good luck and definitely to the men and women of the RNLI and the Coastguard. How on earth does one find a boy with no lifejacket in the sea at 0300 in weather like this? Their achievements are truly heroic.
 
I think after spending this much time in the water, there is only one outcome. I read that coastguards think there is a chance he made it to shore, but, sadly I doubt it. I think, if we are honest, we all know what the outcome will be. This will all just be put down to a tragic accident, and I'm sure most of you on here will forget it by the end of the week, but his parents/friends will never forget.

Can we all just stop the argueing, insulting, and be a little more sympathetic in the situation. None of this is helping anyone.
 
Isn't the real issue here about how kids do not understand their own mortality? Several of us have remembered the stunts we carried out as youngsters ourselves - but luckily survived. I had some I know. I was also involved with an inexperienced young canoeist who would not accept that his skill levels were not up to what he wanted to do. It was not pleasant to watch him drown because none of us was able to get to him (despite many attempts - some of which clearly put the would be rescuers in mortal danger) when the inevitable mistake unfortunately lead to him being trapped in a crushed boat.

Young drivers & riders die all the time due to not accepting or recognising the consequences of failure when taking risks. This is a basic fact of human nature, like children "pushing boundaries". Isn't it a part of our need to push the limits of the human experience? Ok, so the great explorers do it in a better managed and more controlled way to minimise the risks and the consequences of failure. But they still take risks and understand the consequences of failure.

The two young lads in this incident thought it was a great prank, but did not consider the potential risks and consequences. It is a common failure, they are not alone, how can the risks be managed? Is adventure training like the Scouts/ Duke of Edinborough/ Operation Raleigh/ Army Cadets etc a better way of giving them adventure with controlled risk until they learn how to assess risk for themselves. I have always encouraged my own kids (and now grandchildren) to have adventures & take risks, but try to get them to manage the risks and understand the consequences of failure.

He didn't deserve to die, but that's what happens if we don't consider the consequences of our actions. Nature is unforgiving. No sailor will last for long if that lesson is not understood.
 
All along I have described this incident as a tragedy, but a tragedy caused by the actions of the possible victim. As the thread has progressed it seems to me that by expressing the view that the whole incident could have been avoided if someone did not take a dinghy not belonging to them I have somehow said I don't give a damn about the victims, this eventually got to the stage where apparently I value a dinghy above the lives of the boys concerned. I find this bloody offensive in the extreme and then to be called names by a man who has never even met me. I brought up the 80 'shouts' because I hope it says a little more about me than some have decided based on one very emmotive subjectposted on these forums. At the same time I am expected to accept that the taking of someone elses property without permision is some how acceptable. I've f**ked up plenty in my younger days, but for me stealing was a total no no, Not my fault, just the way my Dad brought me up. Regards, Mike
 
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