Aeolus
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Exactly what part of my post struck you as impolite?
Sea search for missing teenager
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tome
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No he doesn't sum up the situation. He goes off at an irrelevant tangent
The situation is that this lads parents will be beside themselves with grief and anxiety this evening, and that you have come on here meantime to say that he deserves what he got
That's it, exactly
The situation is that this lads parents will be beside themselves with grief and anxiety this evening, and that you have come on here meantime to say that he deserves what he got
That's it, exactly
FullCircle
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So you value a dinghy above the life of a child? Well done you.
I will be charitable and assume that the boat was not stolen withing the meaning of the law, that is to say that you need proof of intention to permanently disown, or it is just taking without consent.
Strangely, under law, neither of these is a capital offence, and I will make some assumption that it was a prank (see laughing and joking when calling for help) that went horribly wrong.
It is wrong to vilify all previous generations for their behaviour, and particularly offensive to believe that they should die and be justified in dying according to their presemably elders and betters.
It seems that you are a materialist of the worst sort, and are so set in this view that the ultimate price is one you would see as fair and reasonable. I sincerely hope that I don't have to mix with anyone or group that holds that view dear.
It really is too much.
I was trying to remember all the pranks I got up to when I was a teenager and youth, but I gave up as it was so many occasions, including property theft. I remember pinching blackberries from someones hedge, and as a kid we dared each other to pinch a pint of milk from the doorstep and put it back minus a bit with holes in the cap to make it look like starlings. There, me a thief and despoiler of other peoples property.
If you really are that pious, they chose the wrong Pope.
I will be charitable and assume that the boat was not stolen withing the meaning of the law, that is to say that you need proof of intention to permanently disown, or it is just taking without consent.
Strangely, under law, neither of these is a capital offence, and I will make some assumption that it was a prank (see laughing and joking when calling for help) that went horribly wrong.
It is wrong to vilify all previous generations for their behaviour, and particularly offensive to believe that they should die and be justified in dying according to their presemably elders and betters.
It seems that you are a materialist of the worst sort, and are so set in this view that the ultimate price is one you would see as fair and reasonable. I sincerely hope that I don't have to mix with anyone or group that holds that view dear.
It really is too much.
I was trying to remember all the pranks I got up to when I was a teenager and youth, but I gave up as it was so many occasions, including property theft. I remember pinching blackberries from someones hedge, and as a kid we dared each other to pinch a pint of milk from the doorstep and put it back minus a bit with holes in the cap to make it look like starlings. There, me a thief and despoiler of other peoples property.
If you really are that pious, they chose the wrong Pope.
Lakesailor
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Could those who wish to display their ignorance, arrogance and lack of human compassion please do so elsewhere.
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Oh! The Forum Police have arrived. You've hardly donated much of your sagacity and humour on here so far and now you're wanting us all to bugger off?
To all those that think this is matter for bleeding hearts, look at this other thread running concurrently. It's only the fact one of these youngsters has seemingly died that has you all backing off. On the other thread no-one has died so it's all guns blazing.
Could those who wish to display their ignorance, arrogance and lack of human compassion please do so elsewhere.
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Oh! The Forum Police have arrived. You've hardly donated much of your sagacity and humour on here so far and now you're wanting us all to bugger off?
To all those that think this is matter for bleeding hearts, look at this other thread running concurrently. It's only the fact one of these youngsters has seemingly died that has you all backing off. On the other thread no-one has died so it's all guns blazing.
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Hypocrtical, memory impaired, ignorance, arrogance, and lack of human compassion??
That do? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
That do? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Danny_Labrador
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Some of the above is pretty ghastly stuff.
This about the life of a human being lost in tragic circumstances as well.
What sort of people are you?
Whatever they did or whatever they stole is simply not on the same scale as the loss of life. Some of the comments that try to equate what’s happened with punishment or just deserts are appalling.
This about the life of a human being lost in tragic circumstances as well.
What sort of people are you?
Whatever they did or whatever they stole is simply not on the same scale as the loss of life. Some of the comments that try to equate what’s happened with punishment or just deserts are appalling.
clyst
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Beat me to it I was just going to do that link myself !! Strange the different reaction innit ??
Aeolus
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Exactly what is the relationship between someone stealing an outboard, almost certainly for financial gain, and a young person doing something silly and possibly dying because of it?
Or do you think that the death-penalty is appropriate for children who break the law?
Or do you think that the death-penalty is appropriate for children who break the law?
Aeolus
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And on the subject of sagacity, you may be confusing quantity with quality.
Phoenix of Hamble
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I'm with Tome here....
I led a very pleasant childhood with caring and close parents, and more than enough discipline. I like to think (although some who know me may think differently!) that I have turned into a decent adult.
God forbid my parents ever find out about some of the things I did as a child. Some stupid, some downright dangerous. I personally think that 14yr old boys, whether they are decent, or less than perfect ones, have a very low sense of mortality, and are generally, very bad at judging what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. I find it hard to believe that many of us were perfect angels as young boys.
To condemn them as 'getting what they deserve' or to only feel sorry for the owner of the dinghy is IMHO a worse endictment of todays society than any behavious these children exhibited.
I led a very pleasant childhood with caring and close parents, and more than enough discipline. I like to think (although some who know me may think differently!) that I have turned into a decent adult.
God forbid my parents ever find out about some of the things I did as a child. Some stupid, some downright dangerous. I personally think that 14yr old boys, whether they are decent, or less than perfect ones, have a very low sense of mortality, and are generally, very bad at judging what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. I find it hard to believe that many of us were perfect angels as young boys.
To condemn them as 'getting what they deserve' or to only feel sorry for the owner of the dinghy is IMHO a worse endictment of todays society than any behavious these children exhibited.
Lakesailor
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and you mistakenly equating quantity with lack of quality.
clyst
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there are parents all over the world grieving for "lost" children neither you nor I display any sympathy for them because we are not personally involved nor even know them . The same applies here .
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No he doesn't sum up the situation. He goes off at an irrelevant tangent
The situation is that this lads parents will be beside themselves with grief and anxiety this evening, and that you have come on here meantime to say that he deserves what he got
That's it, exactly
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Sorry, but I don't think it was an irrelevant tangent, I was trying to suggest why this sort of thing happens, also that it's time we started making some changes in the way we run out society, and bring up our children. Do you really think that I am not aware of how that lads parents must be feeling?? perhaps you should go back a bit on this thread and you will see that I said exactly that!
Oh what's the point............we can "discuss these issues until the bloody cows come home, but reading some of the stuff so far, people are more intent on wringing their hands than discussing ways of trying to make this sort of thing less likely to happen again, and again, and yet again!
Now I am really sorry if my point of view offends some of you, but it does not mean that I am an unfeeling arrogant son of a bitch! It is an opinion honestly held, and I am just so fed up with all the crap we have to keep taking from little scroats who should know better, Christ almighty, a little girl about 13 years old told me to F-u-c-k off the other day! why, cos I asked her not to drag her bag down the side of my car.
No he doesn't sum up the situation. He goes off at an irrelevant tangent
The situation is that this lads parents will be beside themselves with grief and anxiety this evening, and that you have come on here meantime to say that he deserves what he got
That's it, exactly
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Sorry, but I don't think it was an irrelevant tangent, I was trying to suggest why this sort of thing happens, also that it's time we started making some changes in the way we run out society, and bring up our children. Do you really think that I am not aware of how that lads parents must be feeling?? perhaps you should go back a bit on this thread and you will see that I said exactly that!
Oh what's the point............we can "discuss these issues until the bloody cows come home, but reading some of the stuff so far, people are more intent on wringing their hands than discussing ways of trying to make this sort of thing less likely to happen again, and again, and yet again!
Now I am really sorry if my point of view offends some of you, but it does not mean that I am an unfeeling arrogant son of a bitch! It is an opinion honestly held, and I am just so fed up with all the crap we have to keep taking from little scroats who should know better, Christ almighty, a little girl about 13 years old told me to F-u-c-k off the other day! why, cos I asked her not to drag her bag down the side of my car.
mickshep
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Exactly, Steal and get away with it and by god we'll hang them. Steal and lose your life? thats different. I wouldn't wish what has happened on anyone, still the fact remains they shouldn't have been there. I can't help but wonder how these posts would have developed if a couple of lifeboatmen or members of the public had lost their lives trying to save the boys concerned?
Lakesailor
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Exactly what is the relationship between someone stealing an outboard, almost certainly for financial gain, and a young person doing something silly and possibly dying because of it?
Or do you think that the death-penalty is appropriate for children who break the law?
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The relationship is that they both took what was not theirs. We don't know what reason they took it for or whether they intended to return it.
I have not said anywhere on this thread or anywhere else that I think they deserved to die, and if you could be bothered to read my first post, I agreed it's a tragedy. That does in any way diminish the theft of the boat.
I'll thank you not to assign opinions to me.
Exactly what is the relationship between someone stealing an outboard, almost certainly for financial gain, and a young person doing something silly and possibly dying because of it?
Or do you think that the death-penalty is appropriate for children who break the law?
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The relationship is that they both took what was not theirs. We don't know what reason they took it for or whether they intended to return it.
I have not said anywhere on this thread or anywhere else that I think they deserved to die, and if you could be bothered to read my first post, I agreed it's a tragedy. That does in any way diminish the theft of the boat.
I'll thank you not to assign opinions to me.
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Christ Mick, don't even go there!
Aeolus
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Dear Lakesailor,
There seems to be a clear pattern in your replies that show that you don't actually read what is written. I didn't attribute an opinion to you, and in a previous post, I didn't imply that quantity and quality were inconsistent.
I try to read, then think, and only after that, type. Typing (or borrowing boats) before thinking is the sort of thing teenagers get up to.
There seems to be a clear pattern in your replies that show that you don't actually read what is written. I didn't attribute an opinion to you, and in a previous post, I didn't imply that quantity and quality were inconsistent.
I try to read, then think, and only after that, type. Typing (or borrowing boats) before thinking is the sort of thing teenagers get up to.
Rustyknight
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Have to say I can't see that many blazing guns on that thread..... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
7 posts in total, and only one person says they "hate the thieving b******s", and thats about it. The other posts seem to offer practical advice on either future prevention, or possible ways to locate stolen property.
7 posts in total, and only one person says they "hate the thieving b******s", and thats about it. The other posts seem to offer practical advice on either future prevention, or possible ways to locate stolen property.
mickshep
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Hi Neil. Think you mixing me up with someone else here. Yes I'm sorry for chap who's dinghy gone, also as a Dad, fully aware of how parents must be feeling. The very thought of anything happening to either one of my kids leaves me sick. Also at what stage did I say they deserved to die? My point has been and remains, If they had not stolen a dinghy, they would be at home now. Mike
tome
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I think we were talking about the situation, no?
The situation for the parents right now, 6.45 on a Sunday evening is that they will be dealing with guilt, anxiety, police liaison and the media as well as phone calls from anxious relatives and friends. They may be coming to terms with the likelyhood that he's presumed dead
Enough of us have admitted on here that there but for the grace, and so any one of us could have caused this grief to our own parents had we paid the ultimate price. Fortunately we did not
So whilst you rant on about social work and Brussels and the disgraceful rabble who nick dinghies for drug money or whatever, some of us are more concerned with the possibility that he was a decent lad who has come to grief through foolhardy behaviour
We could, of course, be completely wrong. That lad who's missing is a scumbag who had it coming
Personally, I hope that the common decency displayed by a few on here is what survives in our society. Darwin is welcome to the rest
The situation for the parents right now, 6.45 on a Sunday evening is that they will be dealing with guilt, anxiety, police liaison and the media as well as phone calls from anxious relatives and friends. They may be coming to terms with the likelyhood that he's presumed dead
Enough of us have admitted on here that there but for the grace, and so any one of us could have caused this grief to our own parents had we paid the ultimate price. Fortunately we did not
So whilst you rant on about social work and Brussels and the disgraceful rabble who nick dinghies for drug money or whatever, some of us are more concerned with the possibility that he was a decent lad who has come to grief through foolhardy behaviour
We could, of course, be completely wrong. That lad who's missing is a scumbag who had it coming
Personally, I hope that the common decency displayed by a few on here is what survives in our society. Darwin is welcome to the rest