Sea search for missing teenager

Of course it would be better if we had the moral values of the 20's and 30's... where children were appropriately respectful of their place in society..... and from where we developed wonderful characters like the marvellous Susan, Titty, Roger and John in Arthur Ransome's books that many of us love so much.

Oh hang on a minute...

I've just remembered.... they took the Holly Howe rowing boat without permission for their trip to Kanchenjunga in the book Swallowdale......

Gosh... they must have been miscreant scrotes as well.
 
Another sanctimonious prat eh?

Stand on the average town quay/marina/yacht harbour/sailing club and you will see more wealthy middle age boat owners "borrow" dinghies because they can't be arsed to buy/inflate/ get out of the rack their own - and a lot of them won't put them back.

Read my post properly and you will see that I don't support borrowing property, just comment on it happening.

I hope you place a greater value on the life of those around you than a small boat.
 
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Also at what stage did I say they deserved to die?

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From Wikepedia.......

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come·up·pance (kŭm'ŭp'əns)
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A punishment or retribution that one deserves.


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I know you didn't actually use the term, but you did agree with the person who did...... though maybe you didn't understand what you were actually agreeing with.
 
hey, come on Martin, a kid is more than likely dead, we all know that, and I am sure we all feel the same as you, but wringing our hands on here will not bring him back, if for a minute I thought it would, I would be hand wringing for Britain, but it wont, and some of us resorting to name calling and point scoring does not in my view show us in a very good light.
 
"Borrowing"??? Where did that development come from? All I've read / heard so far has referred to "stealing" - BBC included.

Anyone, however young, who engages in crime takes a certain degree of risk for which they are solely responsible, 14 year-old boat thieves included. All of us who set out on the water also take a risk, for which we are responsible, normally a very responsibly calculated risk. Two kids have nicked a boat, which they should not have done, and taken themselves out to sea. They have taken two risks, and have been caught out by the latter. While it is tragic that a young man may have lost his life, having put himself deliberately and very irresponsibly at risk, taking an unknown boat out, I don't hold much sympathy for him. His parents maybe - I don't know them to judge and the most responsible of parents lose control of adolescent kids from time to time, but the kid? No. His death may be sad, but the risks and the consequences were his choice, no different to drunk driving, ODing on drugs, nicking a plane when you don't know how to fly, etc. etc.

Steve
 
Thanks for your constructive reply. As for reading posts, mine to you had a smiley added in an attempt to diffuse a thread that appears to be descending into a slanging match. Sadly you have decided that you wish to be personally abusive, As for the value of human life I've been a member of our local S.A.R team for 5 yrs with around 80 'shouts' to my name. Nor have I been witness to the unauthorised taking of a dinghy and would have something to say about it if I did. Mike
 
If you meant to answer my post, my name is Mark not Martin and anyone who knows me would tell you that I am far from a hand wringer.

I like to see a balanced debate on here and like to think that my posts have perhaps contributed to restoring some of the balance to the "deserves the little [--word removed--] right" crowd that seemed to be shouting the loudest.

It would seem from the limited information that a couple of irresponsible teenagers, which I would guess everyone on here was once to a lesser or greater degree, were doing something they shouldn't. On the scale of wrongness, it certainly wasn't up there with mugging old ladies or raping young girls, but heinious crime of crimes they touched someones boat.

I think the attitude that a number of people displayed, that the fact that one of them died was in some way just deserts, shows them up in a poor light and is a sadder reflection on our society than a couple of lads larking about in someone elses dinghy.

Probably explains why we have the troublesome youth today, they are the product of the grown ups that we have.
 
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I've been a member of our local S.A.R team for 5 yrs with around 80 'shouts' to my name

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A valued member of society, and therefore qualified to pass instant judgement. My apologies
 
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...As for the value of human life I've been a member of our local S.A.R team for 5 yrs with around 80 'shouts' to my name....

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Then you of all people should know better.
 
Begging your pardon Mark, I know, it's all very emotive innit, and you are right, nicking a dinghy, is pretty small stuff, however, the consequences are not? I am banging out of this discussion now, as I feel there is little to be gained by engaging in it further.

Have a nice evening all, Charlie.
 
I doubt there is evidence that they weren't going to leave it back where they had taken it from. So, on the principle that even stupid teenagers are innocent until proven guilty, I think it reasonable to call it borrowing. I'm sure that even in 'God's own country', such principles apply. And, as the laws in most countries acknowledge, 14 year old children are not qualified to make sensible judgements and choices about their behaviour.
 
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Sadly too often these days the real world comes up with a real whallop for some teenagers.

I don't think that a lot of them a have much of a grip on reality.
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Is this because there is a trend to over-protect from reality, so haven't got enough self-preservation techniques? (not all kids, obviously). Tragedy, though, of course.

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I doubt there is evidence that they weren't going to leave it back where they had taken it from

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You may be right in your supposition, we don't know. If I take your car from your driveway and return it a couple of years later have I just "borrowed" it ? Borrowing requires the owners' consent IMO.

The law in the UK says that Children under the age of 10 are below the age of criminal responsibility, once you hit your tenth birthday you're expected to understand and behave accordingly. I know I understood theft as a four year old. In several European countries 14 is the age of consent - the ultimate adult responsibility, so I'm really not convinced by your proposition.

Cheers,

Steve
 
Personally I think it is less to do with protection from reality, and more to do with protection from responsibility. In our desire to nuture and protect them we shield them too much from the consequences of their actions.

Must be time to bring back corporal punishment - did me the world of good /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Steve
 
Here is the updated BBC news. Still not good.

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Missing boy named as hunt goes on
Kyle Moore
Kyle and his friend had taken the rowing boat from Castletown
A boy who went missing after the rowing boat he and his friend had taken for a joyride capsized has been named.

Kyle Moore and his friend stole a small rowing boat in the early hours and were swept out to sea in Portland Harbour, Dorset.

The 14-year-olds, from Portland, were "laughing and joking" when they called for help, a coastguard spokesman said.

The boat continued to drift and then capsized. One boy was rescued and a search is under way for Kyle.

Search teams are now focusing on the coastline in the area in the hope that the youngster made it ashore.

Supt Darren Curtis, of Dorset Police, said: "Clearly there is a possibility that for one reason or another he is on land and has not come to our notice."


We are not going to give up in this situation... we are going to remain positive
Lee Fisher
Coastguard manager
Kyle is described as 5ft 11in tall, slim, with light brown hair and was wearing black track suit bottoms, a black hooded top, trainers and a sports jacket.

More than 20 police officers and more than 30 coastguard officers were searching between Portland Harbour and Weymouth Bay, across to Ringstead, for the missing teenager.

Lee Fisher, coastguard rescue co-ordination manager, said: "We are concerned that the individual we are looking for may well have made it to shore. That's where we are aiming our operations at the moment.

"We are not going to give up in this situation. We are not going to look on the downside. We are going to remain positive."


The second boy, who has not been named, was taken to hospital and is now recovering at home with his family.

The two boys were not wearing lifejackets, a Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) spokesperson said.

Andy Jenkins, Portland Coastguard watch manager, said: "We are very concerned for the safety of the remaining young man.

"Weather conditions in the harbour area are challenging with squally showers, thunder and lightning.

"The oars to the small boat have been found, but no sign of the boat or the missing 14-year-old."


There may well be a sad outcome.
Alan Birch
RNLI

The MCA spokesperson said: "Two boys made a 999 call at about 2am this morning saying they had pinched a boat, were out in Portland Harbour, and were just having a laugh and were quite happy. They were laughing and joking.

"About 45 minutes later things took a turn for the worse. The boat seemed to capsize and they were thrown into the water."

The boys had taken the rowing boat from Castletown.

The Portland Bill Coast Rescue Team and Weymouth RNLI inshore lifeboat were initially sent out.

But after the boat capsized, the coastguard helicopter was dispatched along with the RNLI all weather lifeboat, which found one of the boys at about 0300 GMT.

Alan Birch, spokesman for Weymouth RNLI, said it was a "rough night" when the boys capsized.

"I would like to hope he swam ashore or got to shore somehow and he disappeared from the scene but that seems highly unlikely and there may well be a sad outcome," he said.
 
Not qualified to make instant judgments. But seen to many people who die at sea or for that matter on the shore, through no fault of their own. Will reserve majority of my sympathy for them and for the people who have to pick up the pieces. Mike
 
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Not qualified to make instant judgments

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No, and some might regard 80 shouts as basic training. Yerknow, still mouthing off about it but still a few shouts short of modesty

You won't be the only reader of this thread to have done 80 shouts, but well done for bringing it to our attention
 
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And on the subject of sagacity, you may be confusing quantity with quality.

[/ QUOTE ] I take that to mean that although you post little each one is a gem and that whilst I post a lot most of it, if not all, is drivel.

Although you then say "and in a previous post, I didn't imply that quantity and quality were inconsistent. "

So which is it?

Or am I completely wrong?
 
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