Scottish Islands - which are open?

[awol]

Because that's an ad for a self catering cottage and this is a sailing forum.

I think you will find the ad is for exclusive use of the island. The owner has never fully grasped right-to-roam despite the efforts of various denizens of these fora.

 

[NormanS]

You would think that if they think it's worth £2000 per night, it would also be worth getting somebody to proofread their blurb.

 

[bikedaft]

I think you will find the ad is for exclusive use of the island. The owner has never fully grasped right-to-roam despite the efforts of various denizens of these fora.

that's not quite true (you are talking about Sanda?)

i emailed him a few times re this, several years ago. he does not object to folk landing, just not at the pier nor walking through his garden

 

[awol]

that's not quite true (you are talking about Sanda?)

i emailed him a few times re this, several years ago. he does not object to folk landing, just not at the pier nor walking through his garden

Very glad to hear it. I am obviously out of date since the "Residence (sic) Only" lettering was there.

 

[cherod]

that's not quite true (you are talking about Sanda?)

i emailed him a few times re this, several years ago. he does not object to folk landing, just not at the pier nor walking through his garden

that is fairly reasonable , who would want all insundry wandering about in their garden , the " right to roam " law is one which should be respected and used , not abused by those who feel that they have a right to be where they are not wanted. the RTR law provides access where no damage is caused to property , lands and presumably person .

 

[Deleted member 36384]

that is fairly reasonable , who would want all insundry wandering about in their garden , the " right to roam " law is one which should be respected and used , not abused by those who feel that they have a right to be where they are not wanted. the RTR law provides access where no damage is caused to property , lands and presumably person .

The abusers were and still are landowners, plenty of cases went through court that demonstrates that. we have access rights to land and waterways because of the selfish acts of many land owners. There would be no law if they had acted reasonably with people wanting to access the great outdoors. They could not act reasonably hence legislation forced them too. It’s the same attitude that led to Crofters Act / Crofters Commission.

 

[cherod]

The abusers were and still are landowners, plenty of cases went through court that demonstrates that. we have access rights to land and waterways because of the selfish acts of many land owners. There would be no law if they had acted reasonably with people wanting to access the great outdoors. They could not act reasonably hence legislation forced them too. It’s the same attitude that led to Crofters Act / Crofters Commission.

I do also agree with that , abuse on both sided

 

[NormanS]

Scotland can be justifiably proud for having some of the best rights of access in the world.
With rights, come obligations from both sides. We, the public, have to respect the genuine needs of the landowners, and the landowners have to respect our right to roam.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Scotland can be justifiably proud for having some of the best rights of access in the world.
With rights, come obligations from both sides. We, the public, have to respect the genuine needs of the landowners, and the landowners have to respect our right to roam.

Those who followed the Country Code and respected the land and the needs of business users of the land were still excluded. Every time it is mentioned that roamers need to respect genuine land users, it is an agreement with the message that land ownership entitles exclusion. Another trick used to try and claim justification to claw back rights is damage caused by density of users e.g. Isle of Skye That is a different problem which needs a different form of management such as the wild camping restrictions introduced at National Parks.

 

[JumbleDuck]

That is a different problem which needs a different form of management such as the wild camping restrictions introduced at National Parks.

Because if there is one group we don't want in our national parks, it's poor people ...

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Because if there is one group we don't want in our national parks, it's poor people ...

It takes a great leap of imagination to conflate todays usage density with socioeconomic reasons for exclusion.

 

[cpedw]

Getting back to the original topic:
The public moorings at Arinagour, Coll are on the seabed with no date for reinstatement. NTM 37/20 LOCH EATHARNA, ISLE of COLL PUBLIC MOORINGS - CMAL Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd I would recomment=d a tripping line if you want to anchor.

It's all down to CMAL; I have no information on the locals' view of visitors.

Derek

 

[JumbleDuck]

It takes a great leap of imagination to conflate todays usage density with socioeconomic reasons for exclusion.

I have a very leap-y imagination. The ban on wild camping worries me, because I think it will disproportionately affect poor people and because I suspect that that is at least partly the intent. Not our kind of people in the countryside, dahlink.

That said, I know that wild campers can leave an awful mess. I think it's greatly to he credit that the Chooky Bucloo encourages the tradion of free wild camping in the Mennock Valley, even though he has to employ a full-time litter clearer upper during the summer.

 

[JumbleDuck]

It's all down to CMAL; I have no information on the locals' view of visitors.

Quite from the local who greeted us first time I went there: "We're all very friendly on Coll. That's because we're mostly incomers." Sad but possibly true - anyone with enough money to live on Coll probably isn't going to harbour sullen resentment against rich yacht owners.

 

[NormanS]

Getting back to the original topic:
The public moorings at Arinagour, Coll are on the seabed with no date for reinstatement. NTM 37/20 LOCH EATHARNA, ISLE of COLL PUBLIC MOORINGS - CMAL Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd I would recomment=d a tripping line if you want to anchor.

It's all down to CMAL; I have no information on the locals' view of visitors.

Derek

I'm not that keen on visitor moorings in places where anchoring is perfectly feasible, but it must be verging on the criminal, to drop all the chains to the seabed, where someone innocently anchoring is likely to foul them.

 

[Quandary]

The mess left around much of Loch Lomond and here around Loch Awe is indefensible, If I were the owner of land abused in that way I would be livid. Yesterday I was down at the harbour where the local kids swim and where my boat is berthed currently, I watched a pair of them steal a 30' length of 16mm blue polyproplylenene from the canals temporary security fence and dump it in the harbour, the wee bu***ers refused to take it out and I had to do it, trying to explain the hazard that it posed to the propellers of boats seemed only to give them more motivation.

 

[Appleyard]

Plenty of yachts in Lamlash bay, and a few over in Brodick bay at the castle. Cal mac ferries are busy but only full at the weekends so far.
Not many places open, Drift inn, Douglas and Wooleys are about it, apart from the Co.
No issues from the natives, we were expecting pitchforks and flaming torches, but everyone is relaxed, keeping distanced and wearing facecoverings where appropriate. Climbed Goatfell yesterday, pleasantly busy.

 

[dunedin]

I'm not that keen on visitor moorings in places where anchoring is perfectly feasible, but it must be verging on the criminal, to drop all the chains to the seabed, where someone innocently anchoring is likely to foul them.

Isn’t that a pretty standard way of leaving moorings during the winter ? The issue is presumably that the refitting of the buoys in April time for the season was prevented by Covid lockdown.
There is space elsewhere to anchor at Coll

 

[NormanS]

Isn’t that a pretty standard way of leaving moorings during the winter ? The issue is presumably that the refitting of the buoys in April time for the season was prevented by Covid lockdown.
There is space elsewhere to anchor at Coll

I drop my own mooring for the winter, but at least I leave a messenger line and buoy on it for retrieval, which at least gives an indication that there is gear lying on the seabed. I got the impression from Derek's post, that the chains had just been dropped with no buoys left marking their position. I may, of course, be wrong.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

I have a very leap-y imagination. The ban on wild camping worries me, because I think it will disproportionately affect poor people and because I suspect that that is at least partly the intent. Not our kind of people in the countryside, dahlink.

That said, I know that wild campers can leave an awful mess. I think it's greatly to he credit that the Chooky Bucloo encourages the tradion of free wild camping in the Mennock Valley, even though he has to employ a full-time litter clearer upper during the summer.

Interestingly, his magnificence, has to sell off some land if the community can raise the £6 million to buy it. Land reform resulting in community ownership may throw up its own issues, but on a whole it is likely to be a good thing.

Scottish villagers plan to buy out landowners for eco moorland project
Langholm Moor Community Buyout organized by Kevin Cumming

I never thought that restricting wild camping in the national park was a deliberate policy targeted at a certain group of society, but rather those who used the opportunity of a low cost activity would be penalised disproportionately. Indeed JD, I believe you are a very good engineer and being able to creatively think of solutions must require a good imagination, amongst other traits..

The mess left around much of Loch Lomond and here around Loch Awe is indefensible, If I were the owner of land abused in that way I would be livid. Yesterday I was down at the harbour where the local kids swim and where my boat is berthed currently, I watched a pair of them steal a 30' length of 16mm blue polyproplylenene from the canals temporary security fence and dump it in the harbour, the wee bu***ers refused to take it out and I had to do it, trying to explain the hazard that it posed to the propellers of boats seemed only to give them more motivation.

The majority of recreation users of the wild spaces do so responsibly, I doubt you dump your engine oil in the canal. Kids eh, up to all sorts of mischief. My point is that the majority should not be penalised at the expense of the minority.