scared fiancee - please help.

Sea, where are you at the moment location-wise?

I think I have told you before that my boyfriend and I (21 and 19 respectively) are also currently living aboard our Colvic, a Colvic Victor 34 (incidentally built in 1980 and a totally solid, seaworthy, dependable cruising vessel who we both entrust our lives to). We're in Gosport, but have vague plans for some kind of extended cruise next year, potentially a round-Britain, and we'd love to elope to warmer climes in the near future. We each have a plethora of previous experience, but this seas we've been cruising the Solent, and took a week off to do a longer trip down to Dartmouth (which is an absolute haven - we loved it) which really proved ourselves to each other, and Milestone more than proved herself to us. It really reinforced her seaworthiness to us - we are immensely proud of her.

I agree with above posters that it's not the age of the boat that matters, it's the condition, and I think your girlfriend may have deeper concerns other than age of your boat. But nobody really knows - except what she tells you. Which is why it may be a good idea for her to have some friends who know a little bit about boats that she can talk to, and express and hopefully alleviate her fears. I would really like to talk to your girlfriend - does she have many sailing friends, particularly female ones, whom she can talk to about her fears? Perhaps she does - but if not, I would be happy to talk to her, as I know it's hard to find people our age with the same plans.

I also agree that there is nothing like getting out there and sailing. It's a great idea to let her skipper, but from experience, it's very hard to actually make it work. It's easy for you to say you won't do anything, but in reality that's hard to achieve, and even if you do manage just to sit there looking hunky, for the girl - at least for me - it hasn't really felt like I'm skippering - you will always be there to fall back on. Something that really helped me develop my skippering to Yachtmaster level is to follow the RYA practical courses. I couldn't recommend enough that your girlfriend undertakes one - being unsure of her real practical level of ability, I don't know enough to recommend which one she start with, but Day Skipper theory + practical sounds like it could be right. From my experience, it is incredibly beneficial for the girl to find her own sea legs and gain experience and confidence away from her partner. It takes away the whole feeling of relying on you, and really makes us do everything for ourselves. Of course, the instructor is always there to fall back on, but it's different dynamics. I honestly think this is the one best thing your girlfriend could do to help herself - that is, of course, taking for granted the fact that she wants to help herself, and really does want to make your goal a reality as you say. I was very lucky to find an absolutely outstanding instructor (who happened to be female) who runs women's only courses, as well as mixed, and has taught me, pushed me and made me 100% confident of my own abilities as skipper (not including my hatred of boathandling!).

Now James and I work as a brilliant team - he has the natural born sailing ability, boathandling confidence and engineering skills. I am the most proficient navigator as I have a natural love of reading, am good with theoretical/academic things and love turning our logbook into a scrapbook; I am also safety queen and teacher - so when we take friends out sailing I'm the one who'll do a full safety brief and generally teach them how to sail, whilst James pretends he's racing a dinghy and runs round eeking every last bit out of Milestone. That's what you need to be aiming for - a team, where you each have your own proficiencies but can learn from the other about your weak areas.
 
Firstly thank you all for taking the time out of your lives to offer your advice, it really really is so much appreciated! Some of the advice has been totally invaluable. Several users have of course given some great advice that i would have never thought of. Aswell as helping me and Hannah i hope this thread has helped others in similar positions. It amazes me how the majority of people on this forum have a vast knowledge and are willing to share it with anybody at the drop of a hat. You are providing an invaluable service so please keep it up!

Also a special thanks to one user who has offered any advice/support i may need now or in the future personally. To the extent of giving me their phone number. (you know who you are)

Jellyelle - i will send you a PM to discuss a possible meet up one weekend?


I will be starting a blog to keep anyone interested updated on our adventure, i hope some of you will follow it. I will be taking more time tonight/tomorrow to reply in more detail and continue this thread. This was just to say a big THANK YOU.

James and Hannah!
 
Sailed a 1980 Westerly Konsort back from Cyprus over a 2 year period. Had a number of epics, mainly revolving around the engine which was damaged in the Corinth Canal when the cooling ways were blocked by sand washed up from the bottom by a ship's prop wash (another story). The point is that even to a novice sailor as I was at that time, with appropriate caution, preparation and planning your boat will not let you down, even if parts of it fail. Tell your fiancée that it is not worth waiting for the perfect weather window as they never occur except by luck, if conditions look favourable go for it and most of all, once you are at sea, deal with the conditions as they apply at the time, it is not ever worth wishing you weren't there, you are so manage the conditions and gain confidence. Your boat will look after you long after you have given up which is why so many empty yachts were recovered from the Fastnet 79.
 
..... I would like to pose the simple question, would you make the trip in a boat of this age. It is in amazing condition and structurally sound. Or would you be kind enough to reassure her that we have a good tub and god willing it will take us where we want to go?

Have you made the trip in a similar boat? I am the first to admit being a fair weather sailor as our boat is now our home and something i would always choose paying marina fee's over sloppy weather. ......

1. Yes I would.
2. Yes its a good boat. A past colleague owned one and I shortlisted it as an affordable yacht to start a sailing school with.
3. God's will has nothing to do with it but your will has.
4. No I have not. I have sailed a Contessa 34, similar older vintage similar style, through some mad weather and thought she was an incredibly sea worthy yacht.

You learn very little in a Marina. Go sailing.

The pair of you should make an Affirmation (individually) if you share the same goal. Write it down in the present tense as if it has happened. Place in your mind a positive image of the affirmation and identify an emotion to go with the image.

Each night before you go to sleep read your Affirmation, imagine your image and feel the emotion. Repeat when you wake up. Do this for a few weeks or months.

The above technique was developed to change the lives of young repeat offenders and is now used for many other aspects requiring change e.g. long term unemployed working again It works by imprinting an experience in your mind via your sub conscious. It becomes part of your "Vision of Reality" even though you have not actually done it yet. Your sub conscious will then work to identify opportunities to realise the Affirmation.

From reading various comments your are affirming doubt and worry in your mind and this is now part of "Your Vision Of Reality", you have a vision of your partner not wanting to do this and her vision is of the boat not being reliable.

There is one other method; just cast off and go. It will be a white knuckle ride for about 3 weeks, then you will have a new vision of reality that will more than likely keep you inspired to cruise with just the right amount of worry.

You can of course reply to this any way you want. I suggest you don't, you just do it. None of the above is Psychobabble bull@****, it is a time proven method, which every human uses all the time but mostly in reverse i.e. we tend to always return to our "Vision of Reality", you now have a method of programming your mind to help you move in a direction based on what your mind thinks you want.

The mental image (VoR) is a waypoint and you just need to program the plotter (brain) so your autohelm (sub conscious) takes you there. Okay this last bit is Pschobabble bull.
 
Unless you are a well experienced solo sailor with some longish single handed passages under your belt I would certainly think a third crew member would be helpful, especially if your fiancee isn't a confident watch keeper. And what will she do in the middle of Biscay if you are incapacitated? It can happen.

But the fact is that being the skipper, whether on a day trip up the coast or across Biscay, requires that you have the confidence in yourself to make and take responsibility for every judgment and every decision involved. If you need to ask these questions here then maybe you are not ready yet to take off. As you obviously know yourself, lots more experience looks like the best plan - and go when you have tested and have confidence in yourselves and each other.

Good luck.


Also check your insurance as some insurers require a minium of 3 competant crew for Biscay, I know mine do. (JGW)
C_W
 
Hi, i originally came to this forum to ask for help with engine troubles i was having, turned out that it was actually a case of the wrong engineer (cowboy) who was simply trying to get us to replace our engine for a brand new one. Cost 7k. This was made clear to me by several users of the forum, one of which i believe to be taking legal action against the company. During this time the engineer made a point of telling my fiancee a number of times that our boat was too old and not suitable for our plans.

(http://www.westcountryyachts.com/) - this is the accused.

It appears that these comments have never left her mind. We own a 1983 Colvic UFO 34 and are planning our great escape to Greece to start a windsurf centre. We are both young, myself 21 - misses 24. I have been on the water ALL of my life, and although i am not a yacht master i know i have the skills to make the trip. Unfortunately she has lost confidence in our boat and has little experience of sailing. I don't blame her as the engine failure left us with no option but to put a pan call in to HMCG to be recovered.

All members of the CG (amazing people) insisted that it was one of those things and we did everything 100% by the book and were very friendly - and in my experience of personally recovering other vessels and kayaks in distress they are normally appear slightly displeased to be called out for something that can be easily avoided and are quick to make that point.

I would like to pose the simple question, would you make the trip in a boat of this age. It is in amazing condition and structurally sound. Or would you be kind enough to reassure her that we have a good tub and god willing it will take us where we want to go?

Have you made the trip in a similar boat? I am the first to admit being a fair weather sailor as our boat is now our home and something i would always choose paying marina fee's over sloppy weather. It would simply be nice to hear of some other boat owners doing something similar.

Look forward to your comments.

Not much info here, not sure if it is the same boat class as yours, but have a look.
http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/ufo-34/ufo-34.htm

C_W
 
Great - some more sound advice! I like the all of the ideas above and my notepad is getting quite full! I know our boat is a good'en, much better condition that almost every other UFO i have seen. I have attached some pic's so those of you that have offered advice can see just what we are making the trip in. She's a good boat and not shy of some weather.

Thanks for the pointer of the insurance, that has also gone down in the note book. Although depending on time of year we may just hit the canals.
 
Forward Hatch Forward Opening

One of your pictures show the forward hatch. It looks like the hinge is aft. If your hatch is reversible, put the hinge on the forward section of the frame, so that the hatch opens facing aft. If its not keep it shut at sea and don't be tempted to crack it open for some ventilation.

A big wash / wave will want to flip it open if its forward opening.
 
Thank you for the advice, yes it does open facing the bow. I do normally keep the hatches battened, but on a long trip in the sun with the motor on it may be tempting. Would you suggest reversing it?
 
Thank you for the advice, yes it does open facing the bow. I do normally keep the hatches battened, but on a long trip in the sun with the motor on it may be tempting. Would you suggest reversing it?

Yes I would. Its also dryer when anchored on the bower only, its raining and its hot.

You can make (or buy) a wind scoop to divert air down an aft opening hatch to increase air flow.
 
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Seeing your boat I would certainly not go across Biscay with just your inexperienced lady as crew.
I would make sure she built her confidence slowly and get her accross the channel as mentioned in another posting.
Let her experience port hopping and have fun. It's a more machio thing to go accross Biscay but what you are choosing to do is possibly reckless.
 
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A point to bear in mind.

You will be able to day sail the majority of the trip. An antique freind of mine and his wife made their way to Greece many years ago, and only did one overnight on the entire journey (perhaps 2) and that was the Biscay crossing. This means you can choose your weather much more carefully. This thought may well go down well with her, as I have similar problems with my wife - gradually being cured. BUT DO NOT SCARE HER AT ANY COST, other wise she will not come.
 
Unlikely END

Well, i am very sad to say that my fiancee and i have broken up and gone our seperate ways. The boat is on the market.. Broken dream eh!?

Thanks to all of you who gave your time to try and help us. :mad:
 
Well, i am very sad to say that my fiancee and i have broken up and gone our seperate ways. The boat is on the market.. Broken dream eh!?

Thanks to all of you who gave your time to try and help us. :mad:

Well that's a pity, it would have been great to have heard you had made it in a way. There are millions of women out there to relate to but why get rid of the boat that easily?
If money is not too short, then get her in good fettle for next season and look forward to some great sailing and building your experience so those girls won't know how to say no.

best of luck.....

be safe!
S.
 
What a wonderful thread & what a sad ending. Guess the writing was on the wall from the start.

Time, like the tide waits for no man. Onward & upward. Look to the future & gain experience from the past. Good luck.
 
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