SANLORENZO YACHT

[massiweb]

Does anybody know this really special yard?
Their yachts are someway classic, but alwyas actual.
SO, IF i'm in a marina, I have some problems to tell the age of a Sanlorenzo (may-be this one is from 1997, and could possibly more recent).

In Geona boat show 06 I've on board the brand new Sanlorenzo 62; it's impossible to describe how far those yachts are in relation to any other 60-65 ft flybridge.
The kittchen is a custom SCHIFFINI, and the owener may choose compartimentation and fornitures.

Every detail has been studied, and, for example, crew may gain their bow quarters just extiting from the door in the kitchen that leads to lateral passages.
It's a pocket superyacht"! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

That boat is wonderfull in every aspect, but she was #0, just a trial boat...
#1 has been sold and will be delivered in nonvembre 2007.

I you want one for yourself, you have to wait until 2008,

I'm seriously thinking ta trade up from my Sealine T60 to a Sanlorenzo62 after another couple of seaon with the Sealine t60.

The BIG problem is that they are very expensive; 2.000.000,00 Eur for a 62' i much than many bigger boats (i was looking at Geona Boat Show for a better quality 60-65 ft boats...The prices was from 1500000 to 1800000.
But the Sanlorenze62 could be the boat for my life (or at least 6 or 7 years)

I you do not know the yard, here's the link:
web page

I'd be glide to know what do you think about.

 

[Nautical]

San Lorenzo are great builder and produce some beautiful work but do bear in mind your are paying a premium (as with all major brands) for the name. Lead times for build can be fairly lengthy as most are semi custom build. Values second hand can vary widely as some owners have some fairly outlandish ideas and colour schemes which don't do well second hand, if you do order one keep it elegant and understated.

If value for money is your goal and still want semi custom build and fantastic quality have a look at this, you get 72 feet for the same money as a 62 from SL.

If you want further info PM me.

Trev

 

[Nautical]

Or you could get one of these, 75 foot for much the same money, lovely build and also semi custom finish.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Do we have to guess or is this one of your underground marketing campaigns in which you don't tell us the make of the boat until we're gagging to buy? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Nautical]

darn, sussed again! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Yep, while Keith is on his tea break,

first one is Numarine 72 semi custom build, no 1 nearly finished and due shortly, 85 and 105 already moulded and on way to yard.

No 2 . Evo marine Deauville 22 again semi custom build, really is phenomenally built, really nice people too nothing too much trouble, you want orange leather and blue formica with glitter? no problem, you want an exact replica of Octopussy inside also no problem /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif you get the idea!

When can I expect your order, you told me last week cheque was in the post /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[MapisM]

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Values second hand can vary widely... if you do order one keep it elegant and understated.

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Well, being concerned for second hand value is a sound principle, but in this respect I think that the least elegant San Lorenzo would be better off compared to the other builders you're recommending... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

The cheque is indeed in the post. I suggest you put it in a nice frame on the wall rather than taking it to one of those horrible bank type places
What's the connection with Numarine and Evo? Any announcements you want to make? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Nautical]

All a matter of what you are looking for, its a thin line between the absolute finest build and money no object or pretty darn good and stands up against 90% of anything else but that thin line is going to cost an awful lot more money. We'd all love to be driving Riva's but 44 foot for a million bucks is not everyones bag. Pays your money takes your choice /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

We parked next to a 70' 'ish San Lorenzo in Menorca recently and whilst it was a good few years old, we were impressed by it's apparent quality. In fact I did an internet search afterwards just for interest and I was surprised how little these older bigger boats go for. But I think you probably need a full time crewperson to keep on top of maintenance

 

[massiweb]

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We parked next to a 70' 'ish San Lorenzo in Menorca recently and whilst it was a good few years old, we were impressed by it's apparent quality. In fact I did an internet search afterwards just for interest and I was surprised how little these older bigger boats go for. But I think you probably need a full time crewperson to keep on top of maintenance

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That's what I was meaning.
I'm impressed on how an old sanlorenzo 72 can be still very good looking despite it's "age". I think that's because the yard has a "conservative" design, and every update is not "striking"...

The other impressive feature about sanlorenzo is the fact that when I see one boat moored stern-to in marinas, I'm never sure about it's size... I guess: is it a 72 or a 82?
In Genoa boatshow the 62 was the only one out of water, so I can't say if the feeling would be the same.

Near the Sanlorenzo's space there was the Evomarine Deauville; it's really an impressive boat. I spotted a grey hull one in Sardinia during summer 2005.

I didn't ask to visit because of the size... too big! as too big is the Numarine 72!

Numarine catched my attention since their first rendering of the 52Fly. There was one in Genoa, and I had a quick visit: really good boat and great interior design. There was a 52 open too.
This summer there was 2 of them in south France, in Port Fréjus: I think that the gangway is too short for the boat, forcing a "scary" and very close to the dock mooring! maybe they solved this issue, but I didn't check the one that was in Genoa. And their price are very very competitive: the pricelist of the italian Numarine's agent shows a "less than 2 millions euros" price for the 72 (plus options and italian 8% VAT)!

Anyway, I'm "stuck" with 60-65 foot boats because of my homeberth in Marina di Varazze: it's a 15 years long lease, started a few months ago!!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yes you're right massiweb. We could'nt guess the size of the San Lorenzo we were moored next to, just that it was bigger than ours!

 

[MapisM]

Absolutely. And personally, I'd never throw my money in a Riva - not one of the current plastics, at least.
But the subject was different: you raised the second hand value point, and I doubt that in this respect Numarine can be a better investment compared to a SL (or a Riva, for that matter).
Well, always bearing in mind that "investments" and "boats" are self-contradictory concepts anyway...

 

[Nautical]

Fair comment, but also relatively speaking your paying an awful lot less per foot for a Numarine than a SL and to be honest there aint 1/2m euros of difference in the quality. Value for money whether its baked beans or a custom yacht will always find a buyer. Looking at some of the recent s/h values of SL's and other of similar ilk within five years they have dropped just about the same as everything else % wise if you depreciate a numarine or anything else new to the market by another few percentage points isn't huge potatoes at that price range and bearing in mind its probably bigger in volume terms and newer technology represents very good value. Not disputing that the Numarine may drop slightly more in % terms but your monetary loss is no greater than a SL or others as you bought the yacht that much cheaper anyway. Whether or not it would loose more money is probably debatable as there are other factors to consider in so much as the Numarine being newer technology and uses Vacum infusion vinylester moulding with Carbon / Aramid and sandwich construction so although lighter is actually much stronger and needs less hp to achieve the same performance and the interior joinery is laminated honeycomb construction so on the 72 saves almost 3000 kgs in weight just in joinery yet the carcassing is twice as strong. These are considerations for future buyers looking to buy / run a yacht on the second hand market within a reasonable budget (if there is such a thing with yachts). On their own may not seem hugely significant but combined with the low pricing makes a very appealling package.

Numarine signed a joint venture with German group DWH who supply many of the worlds superyachts with internal joinery, they will supply finished joinery for installation by DWH so quality is not an issue it is purely to do with branding and while there is a market for those that are image / brand concious and willing to pay extra for it there are also others who are more concerned with £'s per foot and best value for money.

As I said 'pays your money takes your choice', neither is right or wrong just different needs / wants / perspective.

P.S. I am not a salesman for Numarine /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif but if they want to give me one for research purposes quite happy to oblige /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[c_j]

Also went to Genoa specifically to see the 62, had the blueprints after last year. I think it is everything one could want in a boat and then some. It is my ambition to own one but SWMBO is not keen. I will miss her.

The lower helm position is no good on the launch boat as is obvious, but wow, the engine room, the massive space, the quality of build. It is one lovely boat. I have been told that San Lorenzo may be difficult to sell on. I find that hard to believe because this 62 is just sooooo good.

Cost is enormous when compared to other boats of similar length but if you are looking for what I want in the perfect boat then its all there.

So may be in a couple of years, or how about a share? I thought ¼ of one down in the Med would be good. There is a 15 year berth available Palma 20 mts £200,000. ?