SAILRITE CLONE

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For several year now, I have been repairing canvas on my boat with a Singer 201K machine. It can be coaxed to cope with all but heavy sewing, but coaxed is the operative word.
Reading posts here at various times, I decided to investigate a 'proper' canvas sewing machine.
First up was a Sailrite, which I used for a few days about five years ago, and was very impressed. However, looking at the costs landed in UK, these worked out at $1095, plus $185 for shipping. On top of that add 20% VAT and import duty at 1.5% gives a total of $1559, which a couple of weeks ago was £1350 which was way, way over my budget.
So I had a look at all the alternative clones that were available.
I registered for alibaba.com, and searched there and found several sources but eventually settled on the listing below:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.73cd7808CEaJpj

The total for the machine, the large balance wheel, and a wooden box came to $670, which I paid through Alibaba, which guarantees payment, and have a return policy.
So the $670 was assessed at £637 and duty and vat came to £137, a total of £774. I then waited for a week in deep trepidation.
Two boxes arrived by FedEx, and both were very well packed, with the sewing machine and balance wheel in a wooden box. Having read some warnings and horror stories I set up the machine, and on initial inspection was pleased. It looked identical in every way to the Sailrite I had used before.
Reading a post here, I opened up the top end to liberally oil and 'run in' for a day before use. I was pleasantly surprised to find that there was liberal amounts of oil already there. I checked underneath, and the same there. I also had a close look, and the quality of the castings, the linkages, the walking foot setup were all of good quality, without a pressed steel fitting in sight.
The machine came with some thread on the bobbin, and a length through the upper tension unit, with a small test piece which had been test sewn. I loaded new thread, and did some sewing and was pleasantly surprised that it worked straight from the box.
I have attached some pics of the box (pretty good quality), the machine itself, and some test sewing - the thick multilayer on the left is eight layers of sunbrlla, and it sailed through it.
The machine I received is pretty much identical to the Sailrite I used five years ago - identical in fact. Nowadays, Sailrite have some improvements - the stitch length plate is improved, and there is a pin to give direct drive without the clutch, but the wheel I bought has an allen screw that can be screwed down to give full drive.
With the large balance wheel, the speed is quite slow, which suits me as I am not a great machinist. It is easy to 'rock' the machine back and forward, a half stitch at a time which is ideal for corners. The large balance wheel comes with a handle for use if there is no power.
So, the machine I received is everything I had hoped it would be. If it had been rubbish, it would have cost me around £150 to return to China for a refund.
Now, I have started a big job - remaking a complete sailcover with lazyjacks, sprayhood and cockpit cover using the original tattered covers as patterns, so the machine will have paid for itself a couple of times when I am finished.

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Small sprayhoods are OK, I've replaced windows for friends but my large double-decker windowed one is too large to fit under the arm on the Sailrite without scratching the windows. Pity there doesn't seem to be a machine half way between these and commercial long arm ones, with more space.
 
Thanks Graham - you just reminded me of an advantage of my machine over the Sailrite that I never mentioned - the distance under the arm is 220 mm, as against 175 mm for the Sailrite machine. It doesn't sound that much, but it does make a big difference.
Even on my old Singer I found that rolling very neatly, and using a tea towel if vinyl was involved worked well. A year ago I sewed a patch halfway up on a genoa from a 40 footer. It needed three people to carefully roll the material, but it fitted ok.
 
Thanks Graham - you just reminded me of an advantage of my machine over the Sailrite that I never mentioned - the distance under the arm is 220 mm, as against 175 mm for the Sailrite machine. It doesn't sound that much, but it does make a big difference.
Even on my old Singer I found that rolling very neatly, and using a tea towel if vinyl was involved worked well. A year ago I sewed a patch halfway up on a genoa from a 40 footer. It needed three people to carefully roll the material, but it fitted ok.

Thanks for the tea towel trick, I need to make a new sprayhood this year, if/when we get back and will try it. Summer temperatures will also make the vinyl softer as well.
 
Good to hear, I've used banggood.com and gearbest.com also to order various stuff from China, never had a problem, never paid import tax, sometimes delivery takes a few weeks sometimes it's surprisingly quick. Recently a compressor coolbox bought for £165 currently £309 on Amazon, phone £74 currently £120 on Amazon...
 
The Sailrite clone is often labelled Reliable brand .They don’t have the monster flywheel , which helps push thru the thicker fabrics .
They can sometimes be found for less than £250.
The version with a handle on the top is very useful for working onboard .
 
To the OP, the zigzag stitching done on your trial material looks a little bit irregular. Were you making changes to width and length of stitch whilst sewing?

It’s interesting that the Chinese are selling these at approx half the cost of the device it’s copied from - they usually go in much cheaper than that. The ‘Chinaspacher’ heaters for instance are about an eighth the cost of the eberspacher real versions. Could it be that the Chinese are on to the time honoured practice of ‘marine pricing strategy’?
 
It’s interesting that the Chinese are selling these at approx half the cost of the device it’s copied from - they usually go in much cheaper than that. The ‘Chinaspacher’ heaters for instance are about an eighth the cost of the eberspacher real versions. Could it be that the Chinese are on to the time honoured practice of ‘marine pricing strategy’?

When the clones appeared a few years ago, there were many reports about poor quality. Maybe this has been improved and priced accordingly? When I bought my Sailrite maybe 10 years ago, it was only around £750 complete with the monster wheel and different feet etc. Price now would stop me buying one.
 
Well, I’m very jealous needless to say. I’m currently using a borrowed Singer 201k - which is a lovely piece of machinery, but I really do miss a zigzag stitch. I’m aware there is an attachment that will add zigzag, but I really need to be able to switch between straight and zigzag instantly. Keep us posted once you’ve put your machine through it’s paces a bit, I’m very interested in these machines.
 
Hi V1701
When this company shipped the goods, they included an invoice with much lower cost - about $110 dollars. I didn't use that one for customs, mainly as I have heard of goods being confiscated or a very high value being applied - something this big would never get through without a customs declaration.
But yes, there is good value to be had direct from China if you are careful.

Wilkinsonsails
I have been looking for a secondhand Reliable or Consew etc anywhere in Europe since December, but never saw one for sale unfortunately.

Fredrussell
Yes, on that pad I was experimenting with changing stitch length, switching from zig zag to straight etc. Being completely honest, the stitch consistency is not quite up to the stand of the Singer 201K which is the top standard. However, it is pretty good to my eyes - perfect when sewing consistently thick material, altering a slight bit when coping with different thicknesses. Hopefully after getting used to it some adjustment of foot pressure and thread tension will improve this.

Graham376
There appears to be two distinct machines for sale ex China. The one I got, and if you look at the pics, the castings and fittings look of good quality. There are other ones about $30 cheaper, and the castings are visibly irregular, and the walking foot is a rough looking casting.

fredrussell
Yes, the 201K is a beautiful machine, and I will be keeping mine for lighter sewing like duvet covers and suchlike. I did buy a walking foot attachment for it, thinking it would make a difference - it didn't, a waste of money.

gregscope
Here are the links to all three items:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.73cd7808CEaJpj

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.1.721f19b7n8uIDM

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.23eb4912sMrC37

As I said, if you are ordering, they send an invoice for a lower figure with the consignment, you can use this for a valuation to FedEx, but that's up to you?

If ordering, it is essential that you do all transactions through Alibaba, just like eBay. This company puts up an invoice for the goods and carriage online, and you pay through Alibaba portal. Alibaba have a similar returns/refunds policy, but you have to pay the freight back.
 
Fredrussell:
Apologies, it was a walking foot attachment that I tried on the Singer, not a zig zag, so it's the walking foot attachment that didn't make much difference. Maybe someone else has used a zig zag on a Singer and might report here how it worked?
 
When the clones appeared a few years ago, there were many reports about poor quality. Maybe this has been improved and priced accordingly? When I bought my Sailrite maybe 10 years ago, it was only around £750 complete with the monster wheel and different feet etc. Price now would stop me buying one.
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What would stop me buying from Sailrite again is that they refuse to enter the actual shipping cost they have charged on the Commercial Invoice so, instead, HMRC calculates a notional shipping cost based on the invoice total and applies that, and you pay VAT on that.

My lost order to Sailrite had an actual shipping cost of £26.40.

Because Sailrite would not enter this on the Commercial Invoice, HMRC applied a notional shipping cost of £168.61 and I had to pay VAT on that instead of the actual figure.

So my purchase from Sailrite cost me £28 more than it need have done.

I complained to HMRC, FedEx and Sailrite and got nowhere.

It is a pity since I like Sailrite and, were it not for this incident, would have been happy to place further orders.

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When the clones appeared a few years ago, there were many reports about poor quality. Maybe this has been improved and priced accordingly? When I bought my Sailrite maybe 10 years ago, it was only around £750 complete with the monster wheel and different feet etc. Price now would stop me buying one.

I'm not convinced that those reports of poor quality heaters were anything other than baseless speculation.
 
When the clones appeared a few years ago, there were many reports about poor quality. Maybe this has been improved and priced accordingly? When I bought my Sailrite maybe 10 years ago, it was only around £750 complete with the monster wheel and different feet etc. Price now would stop me buying one.

I bought my Sailrite a few years ago from Solent Sewing for about £800 but they don't have machines on their website now, only spares. Have they ceased being the UK Sailrite dealer?
 
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