Sail or Motor?

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More generally it is my observation that those of us who want to be able to go somewhere will have a motor boat, people who sail don't seem so bothered about that but enjoy the act of sailing itself. The question to ask is why do you want to be on the water?

I think you almost got the distinction right, but were crucially inaccurate. A better statement would be:

those of us who want to be able to go somewhere specific will have a motor boat, people who sail don't seem so bothered about that but enjoy the act of sailing itself, and allow the weather to determine their destination.​

What I struggle with is why some sailing types struggle with any other viewpoint....
The same reason as some mobo types are wedded to the view that:
...messing about with ropes and sails as a detrement to that enjoyment....
I do both. There is undeniably something magical about motoring out the harbour, hoisting the sails and turning the engine off and gurgling along in near silence. There's a joy to be travelling using only your knowledge of how to extract power from the wind, as I rarely care about the last 0.2 knots I am not constantly messing with ropes and sails. Its similar to the pleasure of propelling yourself in a sea kayak without being as wet or exhausting. I get enjoyment from working out where is going to be a fun sail today, and understanding the environment we operate in (tides, winds, headlands, etc) to plan a journey - that to me is the fundamental difference. In the RIB I can mostly jump in, turn the key and go. I can predict accurately when I will arrive and know I can get back to where I want to go almost regardless of the conditions. For every hour under sail I can probably extract another hour (or more) of fun in planning, thinking, looking at the weather etc. The RIB can bring other pleasures.
 
Exactly there, ylop. We carry it a stage further perhaps, we take a lot of notice of wind and tide before using the RIB. But then, wind over tide in the western solent is often a sight to behold. We've had it so bad that we could only make reasonable progress by hiding behind the Lymington to Yarmouth ferry on more than one occasion. But with the sailboat, we'll pick our likely (not absolute) destination according to the wind, then pick our departure time according to the tide. Almost always in more comfort than the RIB though. Even a 6.5m RIB gives you a workout in the solent, there's a couple of places we are at pains to avoid, like Egypt point. Why is it always so horrible there?
 
I think you almost got the distinction right, but were crucially inaccurate. A better statement would be:

those of us who want to be able to go somewhere specific will have a motor boat, people who sail don't seem so bothered about that but enjoy the act of sailing itself, and allow the weather to determine their destination.​

The same reason as some mobo types are wedded to the view that:
I do both. There is undeniably something magical about motoring out the harbour, hoisting the sails and turning the engine off and gurgling along in near silence. There's a joy to be travelling using only your knowledge of how to extract power from the wind, as I rarely care about the last 0.2 knots I am not constantly messing with ropes and sails. Its similar to the pleasure of propelling yourself in a sea kayak without being as wet or exhausting. I get enjoyment from working out where is going to be a fun sail today, and understanding the environment we operate in (tides, winds, headlands, etc) to plan a journey - that to me is the fundamental difference. In the RIB I can mostly jump in, turn the key and go. I can predict accurately when I will arrive and know I can get back to where I want to go almost regardless of the conditions. For every hour under sail I can probably extract another hour (or more) of fun in planning, thinking, looking at the weather etc. The RIB can bring other pleasures.
Did you genuinely not understand what I wrote or just quote part of it to try and twist what I said to suit your misguided view? If the latter then perhaps you need to apologise for misrepresenting me.
All that planning stuff you get enjoyment from I see as hassle I could, and do, do without. And yes, I have done it in the past. As I say, each to their own.
 
Is there a local club with a class sailing dinghy racing and the apri making friends etc could be good for your kids not too far in the future,and or course you don’t have to race unless it’s one of those modern boats like a Fireball?
I don't think the Fireball is modern, early Sixties I think. I can recall seeing Fireballs at Skerries Sailing Club in 1965 or '66.
 
Did you genuinely not understand what I wrote or just quote part of it to try and twist what I said to suit your misguided view? If the latter then perhaps you need to apologise for misrepresenting me.
All that planning stuff you get enjoyment from I see as hassle I could, and do, do without. And yes, I have done it in the past. As I say, each to their own.

I was not intentionally twisting anything you said. I was merely pointing out that whilst I enjoy the convenience of motoring (particularly fast motoring in a RIB) that when I sail I am not aimlessly travelling just for the sake of sailing, I am going somewhere (its 16 years since I finished a days sailing at the same place I started), but rather I decide where I am going based on the weather and the tide. I completely understand that not everyone has the skills, patience, time or interest to do the planning that goes along with sailing - my point which in your determination to be affronted by it, you've missed entirely was that there's not that much faffing with sails and ropes once you know what you are doing (especially if you plan well!) and that I can get enjoyment all week from working up to a weekend sail whereas enjoyment on the rib is mostly between launching and recovery.

I don't know why you took umbridge at my post - but I suspect you seem to feel the need to justify why you've chosen motor over sail. Like I said I do both. I agree they have different pro's and con's. But what I was attempting to do was point out that whilst some people do just go out sailing purely for the fun of sailing (indeed many like to sail round the same triangular course every week to see who is best at it) plenty of others are enjoying the journey AND the destination whilst sailing, its just those destinations are less certain than under engine.
 
Curious to know where the OP might secure a 5-6m rib in budget but more importantly being on the Exe? Planed destination. Having sailed from starcross ever week for a stint of 3 years a good few years ago though I would have thought a sailing dinghy would initially more family fun for a young family new to sailing and joining a club provide some learning etc ,chance to do some courses etc and graduate maybe another vessel having learnt more than you wished to learn from the yacht club greybeards etc. even trailing a little mirror dinghy on road trailer etc every tIme can be a bore and even more hassle with a fireball etc though. If into river sailing I might be tempted by a laser though if this is really an adult toy -easy to tack,right after capsize etc. I guess it depends though on if family enjoyment is key here ?
 
I was not intentionally twisting anything you said. I was merely pointing out that whilst I enjoy the convenience of motoring (particularly fast motoring in a RIB) that when I sail I am not aimlessly travelling just for the sake of sailing, I am going somewhere (its 16 years since I finished a days sailing at the same place I started), but rather I decide where I am going based on the weather and the tide. I completely understand that not everyone has the skills, patience, time or interest to do the planning that goes along with sailing - my point which in your determination to be affronted by it, you've missed entirely was that there's not that much faffing with sails and ropes once you know what you are doing (especially if you plan well!) and that I can get enjoyment all week from working up to a weekend sail whereas enjoyment on the rib is mostly between launching and recovery.

I don't know why you took umbridge at my post - but I suspect you seem to feel the need to justify why you've chosen motor over sail. Like I said I do both. I agree they have different pro's and con's. But what I was attempting to do was point out that whilst some people do just go out sailing purely for the fun of sailing (indeed many like to sail round the same triangular course every week to see who is best at it) plenty of others are enjoying the journey AND the destination whilst sailing, its just those destinations are less certain than under engine.
You selectively quoted what I said and in the process changed its meaning, it is perfectly reasonable to take umbridge at that in my opinion. In the process, you gave me the impression I was not entitled to have an opinion different to yours, I accept perhaps that was not your intent.
I do not need to justify my choice to anybody, why on earth would you think that? Is it some sense of sailing superiority that comes across in your posting in general? Is it because it doesn't match your preferences? I have come a cross a few sailors who are totally intolerant of anyone who doesn't sail, I don't think you are one of them but you do give a bit of impression you are.
All I was trying to do was suggest that the decision of sail or power mainly comes down to what you want from your time on the water rather than just how you want to move about on it.
I would also suggest a rib is a niche form of motor boating, the choice would be a cabin cruiser against a cruising sailboat not a rib. Indeed there are a lot of motor boaters who also have a rib, often as a tender.
 
Did you read the OP? His specific question was - big sailing dinghy or rib?
I did, my impression was the requirement for a family day boat which encompasses a bit more than you suggest I would say. I would think for a family something with a cuddy to provide shelter and storage would be beneficial rather than just an open boat.
The bit you quoted was more to point out to some who seem to think a rib would be the equivalent motor boat to a sailboat.
 
Did you read the OP? His specific question was - big sailing dinghy or rib?
"Rib or otherwise in the 5 to 6M range with outboard. Thinking day boat rather than cuddy style and the cuddy for day sailing would be largely a waste of useable space."
I don't think a cuddy would ever be a waste of usable space and very desirable if water gets choppy or it rains. ie gives a bit more comfort in less than perfect days so extends range of weather for pleasant day out. ol'will
 
"Rib or otherwise in the 5 to 6M range with outboard. Thinking day boat rather than cuddy style and the cuddy for day sailing would be largely a waste of useable space."
I don't think a cuddy would ever be a waste of usable space and very desirable if water gets choppy or it rains. ie gives a bit more comfort in less than perfect days so extends range of weather for pleasant day out. ol'will
And that's before you take certain ladies requirements into consideration. For some reason, a bucket, and the use of the spinnaker (as long as you’re not going downwind) doesn’t seem to impress them.
 
Well, to follow up..... I bought the Wayfarer... solid boat if in need of minor tlc however perfectly useable for the rest of this as is.

Probably paid a little over the odds for it, however it had 2 huge things going for it.. it's local (owner lives less than half a mile from me)... it's fully paid up on a council owned dinghy park just above the tide line therefore no back and forth required for what will be our regular sailing spot...

Came with 2 outboards, a 3.3 and a '4kw' which I think translated is 5 to 6 HP. Both 2 strokes. The latter is a bit much for a Wayfarer so will run them both up at home, basic service and will likely sell on the 5HP.

It's setup for cruising with a roller genoa and main with 2 reefing points. Will enjoy for the rest of the year and then bring home later in the year for some tlc.
 
4 up in a Wayfarer is great fun in a breeze- you don’t say where you plan to sail it exactly but the Exe is lovely provided you don’t run aground.

Couple of minor items to replace but then the first couple of times out are likely to be at a high tide in the area known as the 'duck pond' inside the Exe estuary just to make sure all is well. If it all goes pear shaped there you can essentially walk back :)
 
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