Sadler refurbishment costs

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Hi y'all,

New to all this and looking to buy my first - minded on either one of a Sadler 29, 32 or 34 as a safe family cruiser.

There are a few <£20k examples around that could do with upgrades but I have little idea of costs, so was wondering if anyone could advise me of what I should expect to pay approx for: main & genoa, standing rigging and mast.

Thanks for any help.

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this all depends on the size of boat you will have and whether you will buy from Uk lofts or far east.

go to mikelucas yachting and have a look there it will give you a rough guide on prices.

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Its quite unusual to have to replace a mast - although not unknown. Sails, engine and ancillaries, instruments, running and standing rigging, upholstery abd general tidying polishing, paining and varnishing are the usual sorts of items.

A lot depends on how much you are prepared to do yourself.
 
Not really relevent i know, but here goes.
My Jeanneau 27ft cost as .
New set of sails £1100, from Crusader.
New riggin £850, from D S Riggin..
I aint even going to tell how much all the rest cost :eek::eek::eek:
 
msjston said:
Hi y'all,

New to all this and looking to buy my first - minded on either one of a Sadler 29, 32 or 34 as a safe family cruiser.

There are a few <£20k examples around that could do with upgrades but I have little idea of costs, so was wondering if anyone could advise me of what I should expect to pay approx for: main & genoa, standing rigging and mast.

Thanks for any help.

I
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Graham Snooks (PBO/YM photographer) has just bought and upgraded a 32. He has written a couple of articles on work he has done and costs.

As said, replacement rig is rare, but standing rigging, running rigging and new basic sails will be around £2500.

These are old boats so key things to look for (apart from structural issues which vary with model) are engines (£5k+) Sails, Interior upholstery, electronics. It is not dificult to spend £10k on a £20k boat to bring it back to reasonable condition if it is very tired. DIY obviously keeps cost down, but it can still be very time consuming so if you want to go sailing look for the best condition posssible for your money.
 
I've just spent c£8k on a late 34 for good new sails, all running and standing rigging, all canvas work (including sprayhood and stack pack for main), fridge and shore power / sterling charger. Thoroughly worth it, not an instant's regret, one winter's work and the boat's like new.

The key issue is - how long do you intend to own it? I know I'm planning to keep mine for 5-10 years so was happy to invest. Mind you the interior was good, I'm content to renew electronics as I go along (don't get me started on Sadlers and cable ducts) and the engine's as new. If any of these had been shot, I would probably have moved on to the next boat.

As said above, Mike Lucas website gives a good idea of costs for Sadlers. Worth talking to him too - absolute mine of information, whether you're buying through him or not.
 
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Whenever I look round boats for sale I am surprised by what some people consider to be pristine. But each to his own and for that reason there is no real sensible answer to your question - it all depends on how much scruff you are prepared tolerate.

You never recover the cost of extras when you sell a boat so if you can find one that is already to your standard it is likely to be cheaper than getting an older scruffier boat and refurbing it.

Most of us end up buying the boat "presents" in the same way we do SWMBO. In some cases instead of buying for SWMBO. So be prepared to spend regularly, often on items that are now essentials but werent even thought of when Slocum sailed the world.
 
You could easily spend what you paid for the boat again in 'bits'. You'll never get the money back but thats not really why you want a boat in the first place :)

If you want to 'potter about on the boat', have a beer, sit and watch the sunset, learn how to fix all sorts of things, resource tools, materials and specialised labour ...... then go for it.

If you want to spend lots of time sailing then up your budget and buy something new or nearly new.

Remember however that there is a lot of time in a UK year that you simply dont want to be actually sailing :)
 
Can only tell you what I have spent on our 30 footer

Mainsal-£700
Genoa-£1100
Spray hood and dodgers £750
New perspex windows made and fitted £650
Upholstery through out £1200

done lots of other stuff our self and too frightened to add it up :(
 
Hmmm...this is sounding promising as I was budgeting for £10k for upgrades. Just need a to find a suitable Sadler now - preferably on the south-east coast but prepared to travel. I've seen a few 32s around £20k but with poor interiors and old watermota sea panthers which I would want to replace with something more economical and quieter but figured this might be stretching it a bit. At the end of the day i'm looking to spend up to £30k for an upgraded and clean 32 so if anybody knows of something suitable, let me know. Thanks!
 
sadler29

just done all upholstery on our sadler 29 last winter-we made all templates then got foams from specialist near telford cut to patterns -then local seamstress ran up all covers in neutral upholstry material -used spray on waterproofer- all in approx £1k
new engine also ! beta 25-fitted new throttle-exhaust-sea cock-cleaned tank-new elec panel etc £5and halfK - sold old engine £500
eberspacher 2nd hand fitted myself £500
rigging replaced myself couple of wires at a time - but made up by riggers approx£1k i think
trick is keep doing a bit each year
 
Thanks for all your replies - its really appreciated.

One other cost a would like to get an idea of is for a topside paint job. I'm guessing I can do the epoxy and antifouling myself but would opt for a professional spray for the top if it was needed.

Thanks again!
 
nimbusgb said:
If you want to 'potter about on the boat', have a beer, sit and watch the sunset, learn how to fix all sorts of things, resource tools, materials and specialised labour ...... then go for it.
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I think this is the most sensible thing I've ever seen posted on these fora.
 
Another vote for Mike Lucas here. We bought and sold our Sadler 29 through him. AS a Sadler specialist ( and a former Sadler employee) he knows the boats inside out, both good and bad points. Because he is a specialist, a large number of Sadlers pass through his hands and he can pretty much tell you detailed story on most of them . He is very honest about their condition and is ideally placed you provide a pretty accurate estimate of refurbishment costs. His website has a very useful detailed description of all the models.
 
msjston said:
Thanks for all your replies - its really appreciated.

One other cost a would like to get an idea of is for a topside paint job. I'm guessing I can do the epoxy and antifouling myself but would opt for a professional spray for the top if it was needed.

Thanks again!
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Thats another "how long is a piece of string" question as there are many different types of finsihes from hand painted enamel to top notch sprayed Awlgrip. Complete job you are looking at min £5-6k for Awlgrip - there was an article in a recent PBO based on a Centaur. Probably not worth it on a relatively low value boat such as you are looking at unless you intend keeping it a long time.

Why not call a couple of specialists to get an estimate?
 
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