Sadler 32
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potentillaCO32
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Incredibly sad state of affairs in the used boat market that such a capable boat is not economically viable on the market.
All things go in cycles, i hope that as more and more old boats are 're cycled' the supply demand curve re_establishes itself.
All things go in cycles, i hope that as more and more old boats are 're cycled' the supply demand curve re_establishes itself.
fredrussell
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I certainly hope so. Beggars belief that that boat is being broken up.
dunedin
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I think the issue here may not so much be the general market but the unfortunate circumstances and a seller without the time to deal with things and needing to cut their losses. Which is fair enough.
As noted earlier, if less constrained, the boat may have been sold in the spring if moved to a cheaper location, but that would require time and effort to organise.
Mark-1
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It might be viable, it just wasn't possible to realize the value in the circumstances.
Gosport Boat Breakers can store it at zero cost, advertise it and see what interest there is during 2026.
Mind you, the point holds true. There are really good boats changing hands for £0 or being scrapped at the owners cost.
Or maybe an owner living a great life with enough resources that the cost of scrapping a boat is a small price to pay not to have the hassle. Let's hope it's the latter.
Whatever the situation 45 years ownership of adventure and fun in one boat is a seriously happy situation. He got his value out of this boat in spades.
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Greenheart
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I'm in no position to question that - it's years since I paid for berthing. But is £45 per week, ashore, considered good value?
Might coastal farmers benefit from patches of indifferent quality shoreside land by providing long/short-term yacht storage at much lower cost than established marinas and yards demand? If they offered boat-parking for £5 per square metre per year, it might be much more profitable and less work than crops, and a boon for boat-owners. They've got tractors for launching too.
I'm continuously thinking about which reasonably-priced sub-25ft yacht I'd like for next year, but my wallet invariably clamps shut on the dream in the absence of any remotely reasonable moorings. It's ridiculous that I can't even buy a trailable boat (which would limit berthing costs to the summer months) because there's nowhere to store it inexpensively ashore in winter.
Hard to believe there's more profit in squeezing owners and crushing unwanted boats, than in encouraging more people to own.
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Tranona
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Yes - just about the cheapest you can get . Davis's boatyard in Poole which is the cheapest in the harbour apart from the clubs would be £65 a week.
Not sure that you understand the practicalities or economics of operating a storage facility that can handle 10, 4 ton fin keel boats - crane or hoist, cradle, hard standing. doubt there are many7 farmers with waterside property and access for boats on the south coast - at least the central part who would be tempted to take on storing valueless boars at low dost!
Not sure that you understand the practicalities or economics of operating a storage facility that can handle 10, 4 ton fin keel boats - crane or hoist, cradle, hard standing. doubt there are many7 farmers with waterside property and access for boats on the south coast - at least the central part who would be tempted to take on storing valueless boars at low dost!
Greenheart
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I believe there are UK boar farmers who would take issue with 'valueless', but I won't argue with your point.
If the costs described here are typical on the South Coast I have saved around £12,000 in five years of not owning a £1,200 yacht.
There's a secure future for prudent dreamers who never dive in and buy, and ex-owners who remember why they gave it up.
I still want one, of course. I also recall urgently wanting to be rid of the one I had. Better to be in here, wishing I was out there...
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Gixer
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The flip side of this is that it staggers me how much people are paying for moorings/yard fees on boats that haven’t moved or been worked on in years.
potentillaCO32
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You have also missed out on 5 years of adventure and fun, time that you will never get back. As you sit at the end of your time i doubt you will be caring about money saved.I believe there are UK boar farmers who would take issue with 'valueless', but I won't argue with your point.
If the costs described here are typical on the South Coast I have saved around £12,000 in five years of not owning a £1,200 yacht.
There's a secure future for prudent dreamers who never dive in and buy, and ex-owners who remember why they gave it up.
I still want one, of course. I also recall urgently wanting to be rid of the one I had. Better to be in here, wishing I was out there...
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fredrussell
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You make a good point, but what happens when one of these ‘farm-stored’ boat owners decides they no longer want the boat and just does a bunk, leaving farmer with a valueless lump of ancient GRP to deal with? That’s the risk for any boat storage operation. Just take a look at any boatyard - no shortage of abandoned wrecks cluttering them up.
Babylon
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Plenty of really scummy looking boats on mid-river Hamble moorings, never used, sailed or moved, and preventing active boats from getting a mooring. I'm told they're kept there by people who wish to "keep the mooring in the family" at a modest cost of £1,000 a year for up to 32ft, and I imagine there's nothing the HM can do about them.
Hardstanding in that locale for the same boat would cost something like £3,500 plus a year (Boatfolk Deacons 2020 prices £7/m per week), but if the owner does a bunk then the yard has a problem...!
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Babylon
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By the way, does anyone know what the legal process is for a yard to get possession of a boat that has been abandoned or the fees unpaid for an extended period?
Tranona
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Yes, you have to go to court to get a possession order. Can be a long involved process but yards and HM do it and once they get possession and title can dispose of it by selling or scrap.
ProDave
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Reading this thread (and being a long way "up north" the staggering think to me is the cost of a mooring down south, making ownership of a "low value" boat totally impractical, who wants to pay a multiple of the boats value each year just to keep it afloat.
Tranona
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Not as bad as that as there are many clubs that have affordable moorings. Storage is different, again apart from clubs because it uses prime waterfront land which is in short supply and expensive handling equipment
Egret
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Perhaps we can do a round the coast indication of mooring and storage costs in different places - mine East Coast is about £1000 for 25ft excluding lifts in and out - and might be less than £600 for mooring which dries at low tide or about £4000 for marina -
Lots of drying moorings available.
Need to compare with caravan pitch at £3-6000 or beach hut at £40,000 plus £1250 per year - doesn't seem so bad then - Its not the sailing time - its the dreaming about it.
Removal is easiest is if it is written in the terms of storage - dinghy club has a turn out each year.
Lots of drying moorings available.
Need to compare with caravan pitch at £3-6000 or beach hut at £40,000 plus £1250 per year - doesn't seem so bad then - Its not the sailing time - its the dreaming about it.
Removal is easiest is if it is written in the terms of storage - dinghy club has a turn out each year.
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winch2
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Its a practise that its high time needs to be sorted. Near us there are several boats in a terrible state of repair which never see their owners from one year to another, and its not fair like you say on people who genuinely want to go boating, and, who are really interested in the scene, The other one is moorings that are paid for but never used, easily spotted by the copious amounts of weed collecting on the PU bouy.
Blueboatman
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Oh I agree
It is a curious arrangement
The duchy of Cornwall owns the sea bed and the harbour master collects revenues for those mooring or mud.
Then there’s the rent of the marina berth or mooring ball unless you happen to own and service your own.
And then there is the sheer number of boats everywhere, vying for space ashore or afloat!
A quick look at Google earth shows boats wedged in absolutely everywhere you could possibly get a boat.
I think the demographics will win out and some semblance of balancing reduced demand for yachting will prevail but markets rarely adjust smoothly do they?
Anyone who has managed or contrived to operate outside the mainstream ‘system’ is extremely fortunate . For everyone else, it’s net income feeding into a waiting taxi meter at times!
And yet we all love our sailing and dreaming about sailing whilst at work
winch2
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So its going to scrap? What a waste.. and to think people will spend gazillions re-gelcoating CO 32's.