Saddler 26 osmosis

[PJ&Beyond]

Hello everyone, first time posting so I apologise of it's not in the correct manner.

I'm looking to buy a sadler 26 it has some signs of osmosis in the back end and I just wanted a second opinion?

The rest of the boat is lovely and it's not something I'm too worried about..... or should I be ?

 

[hurley]

The question of a problem is subjective in one way as in ownership as you could have time to thik about what you wanted to do about it... But if ever you would want to sell then it could be a massive problem potentially. It's definatley an opportunity to get the price reduced to reflect this possibly several thousand pounds off the asking price...then it's much less of a problem. Unless of course this has already been done.

 

[hurley]

Have you had a survey yet? Has the owner agreed to reduce the price... This would be my starting point and them you could consider the options based on some of the great advice that will no doubt follow...

 

[Tranona]

That looks very minor. Get a survey that will check for moisture in the hull and if possible burst the blisters to see if liquid comes out. If those are the only blisters then grind them out fill and antifoul. Nobody really takes much notice of a few blisters on 30+ year old boats of low value as so many have blisters and the cost of the so called remedial stripping and recoating often exceeds the value of the boat. If the boat is fully functioning and you like it a few blisters won't affect your enjoyment and at worst might mean a bit of work at lay up to clean out any further blisters that occur.

 

[B27]

1) Whatever you do, I would expect this to recur, so when you come to sell, the buyer will be asking the same questions and so on.
2) You really, really do not want to get a survey advising you to undertake an expensive fix, and then find your insurance co wants the work done.

Are you planning to keep the boat afloat 12 months, or will it be out 5 months of the year?

 

[Poey50]

1) Whatever you do, I would expect this to recur, so when you come to sell, the buyer will be asking the same questions and so on.
2) You really, really do not want to get a survey advising you to undertake an expensive fix, and then find your insurance co wants the work done.

Are you planning to keep the boat afloat 12 months, or will it be out 5 months of the year?

Good advice. I have a Sadler 32, so similar age and construction. After I left the boat in the water for most of a year I noticed small blisters towards the stern. Some remedial work as outlined by Tranona and a decision to always keep her out of the water for 5 months of the year and it's no longer an issue.

 

[PJ&Beyond]

Hi all

Thanks for the replies I have put in an offer to reduce the price by the cost of the fix.
The boat will be in the water most of the year as I enjoy sailing in the winter.

I'll look into having a survey done but if the offer gets accepted then I think I'll be happy regardless. I'd definitely get my money's worth.

Thanks for all your advice

 

[Scomber]

That looks very minor. Get a survey that will check for moisture in the hull and if possible burst the blisters to see if liquid comes out. If those are the only blisters then grind them out fill and antifoul. Nobody really takes much notice of a few blisters on 30+ year old boats of low value as so many have blisters and the cost of the so called remedial stripping and recoating often exceeds the value of the boat. If the boat is fully functioning and you like it a few blisters won't affect your enjoyment and at worst might mean a bit of work at lay up to clean out any further blisters that occur.

Well said!

 

[Stemar]

Another vote for don't worry about it. Osmosis is a good money-spinner for those who "fix" it, but is very rarely structural, and those small blisters certainly aren't. They may even be an advantage if you can use them to negotiate a lower price.

Buy the boat and go sailing. If you can be bothered, when the boat's out of the water, grind them out and leave them to dry for a few weeks. Washing them with clean water every few days will help remove the styrene which is the usual cause. Finally fill with an epoxy filler. If you can't be bothered, ignore them, they're very unlikely to get significantly worse, but expect the next would-be buyer to suck teeth and talk about osmosis when it comes to making an offer.

 

[doug748]

You might expect a reasonable reduction in price, it's no good getting a quote of 6k, to get a yard to do it, and wanting a crazy discount on a modestly priced boat.

One point to bear in mind is that a boat with a seemingly perfect hull may be basically the same but the owner had attended to the problem as it arose.

 

[PJ&Beyond]

Definitely I just want to get out on the water again ! Looks like a beautiful boat

 

[B27]

Hi all

Thanks for the replies I have put in an offer to reduce the price by the cost of the fix.
The boat will be in the water most of the year as I enjoy sailing in the winter.

I'll look into having a survey done but if the offer gets accepted then I think I'll be happy regardless. I'd definitely get my money's worth.

Thanks for all your advice

Get some insurance quotes.
Check out which insurance companies are happy with it being afloat 12 months, in a location you can afford.
See which insurers require a survey.
The survey may be worthwhile.

 

[fisherman]

My insurer, Coleman, was happy with the surveys which detailed osmosis in 2001 and 2018 at sale. FV so bigger scantlings, but yours is piffling in comparison.
Some of the remedial work, stripping and recoating, has got a bad name in recent years, I would be looking to grind out, dry and fill as and when possible, but only for cosmetic reasons.

 

[Tranona]

Hi all

Thanks for the replies I have put in an offer to reduce the price by the cost of the fix.
The boat will be in the water most of the year as I enjoy sailing in the winter.

I'll look into having a survey done but if the offer gets accepted then I think I'll be happy regardless. I'd definitely get my money's worth.

Thanks for all your advice

You will need a survey if you want full insurance for all risks, but not for third party. As said the insurers will ask for all the recommended work to be carried out so impress on the surveyor it is for insurance purposes only not a full pre purchase survey. insurers are getting increasingly fussy about insuring older boats as I found out this week seeking better prices for my 1979 boat. One rejected it on age and another wanted a new survey even though the last one was in 2021 and all recommendations carried out then revalued. others accepted my report on the work and the professional revaluation.

 

[Refueler]

1) Whatever you do, I would expect this to recur, so when you come to sell, the buyer will be asking the same questions and so on.
2) You really, really do not want to get a survey advising you to undertake an expensive fix, and then find your insurance co wants the work done.

Are you planning to keep the boat afloat 12 months, or will it be out 5 months of the year?

At last ... I have been banging on about this for years ... careful instruction to Surveyor ...

Too many Surveyors try to be smart and make comments in reports that then tie the Client to daft / expensive unnecessary work.

Sadler 26 .... mmm .... OP appears to understand what he's looking at ... at the possible purchase price - less some reduction for the blisters ? is it a possible purchase without survey report - that then brings to insurance ... if needed survey for that ...

If using a 'purchase survey' for insurance - often it contains items to get price down - that can then be a pain when insuring. But no-one wants to pay for 2 surveys !!

As others post - pop the blisters - fresh water rinse then dry - fill and forget till next batch of blisters ....

Sadler is a well known make - and Insurers will be aware of typicals for it ... I would suggest having a Yard Report for Insurance ... which is basically a Letter stating boat is in generally well maintained seaworthy condition. Quite a few Insurers accept such ...

 

[PJ&Beyond]

Ok folks I've bought the boat... got a brilliant price because I said I wouldn't mess about with the purchase. I know I she's a good boat, the small blisters dont concern me especially not now after all your help. Now I'll probably go third party and just get out on the water see how she works and figure out what needs attention.

Thanks all, so happy to be out on the water again it's been too long

 

[Poey50]

Ok folks I've bought the boat... got a brilliant price because I said I wouldn't mess about with the purchase. I know I she's a good boat, the small blisters dont concern me especially not now after all your help. Now I'll probably go third party and just get out on the water see how she works and figure out what needs attention.

Thanks all, so happy to be out on the water again it's been too long

Do join the Sadler and Starlight Owner's Association and the Facebook Group if you haven't already.

 

[doug748]

Ok folks I've bought the boat... got a brilliant price because I said I wouldn't mess about with the purchase. I know I she's a good boat, the small blisters dont concern me especially not now after all your help. Now I'll probably go third party and just get out on the water see how she works and figure out what needs attention.

Thanks all, so happy to be out on the water again it's been too long

Well done, and good luck with the new boat. A friend of mine has cruised one extensively and kept it for over 10 years.

 

[Poecheng]

Ok folks I've bought the boat... got a brilliant price because I said I wouldn't mess about with the purchase. I know I she's a good boat, the small blisters dont concern me especially not now after all your help. Now I'll probably go third party and just get out on the water see how she works and figure out what needs attention.

Thanks all, so happy to be out on the water again it's been too long

Well done - they are great boats. We have had two.

 

[Stemar]